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Post subject: B bender.
Posted: Fri Dec 10, 2010 10:52 pm
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ok so ive been watching youtube videos of these guitars.
in conclusion............wtf would anybody ever want one of these for?
i just dont get it. why the B ?
yeah sure the playing sounds cool until i see how its done
and i lose all interest. its like watching a magician do tricks, then he shows you how its done and your no longer impressed. kinda boring actually after that.

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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 2:27 am
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haha your post made me laugh for some reason :lol:


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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 6:29 am
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just leave it for the pedal steel players then.

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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:35 am
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way cool jr wrote:
just leave it for the pedal steel players then.


Dude! You are hurting my feelings! (See - another Tele post and up pops RickyD!)

I just got my B-Bender this Monday! 3 tone 'burst - beautiful! Heavy as a tank w/ the B-Bender mechanism. I haven't even had it a week and now you come along hating on it! I've wanted one for years and finally ordered one a while back. I've been waiting over 6 months for it, and now you make me feel bad! :(

Seriously - the pedal steel sound of a B-Bender represents, to me, what real country music is all about. But the Bender isn't "just" a country guitar.

Why the B? Actually, there are different mod's that allow you to bend any string you want. Some guys are set up to be able to bend 2-3 strings on the same guitar.

Read this thread from TDPRI about B-Benders and the Artists that use them - ranging from Tom Petty, to Led Zeppelin, Metallica, Mudcrutch, Graham Parsons (The Byrds), Jimmy Page, etc.. Those boys ain't very country...

http://www.tdpri.com/forum/b-bender-for ... wners.html

Now - you are educated on the B-Bender.

I accept your and Nevin's apology. :lol:

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Posted: Sat Dec 11, 2010 7:43 am
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see here you are again.
you must have some alert on your computer that any time the word tele
is mentioned you get a red flashing light or something lol.
i dont know Ricky, i just cant see myself using one. maybe down the road but not these days.
how much more expensive are these fiddles than normal?
i'll look over your post link a bit later as im headed out the door to work. i'll report my thoughts after i read.

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Posted: Sat Dec 25, 2010 8:49 am
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RickyD wrote:
Seriously - the pedal steel sound of a B-Bender represents, to me, what real country music is all about. But the Bender isn't "just" a country guitar.

Why the B? Actually, there are different mod's that allow you to bend any string you want. Some guys are set up to be able to bend 2-3 strings on the same guitar.


Yes, Brad Paisley uses a G Bender. You can achieve a similar result with a clean sound by bending the G/B string up (say D --> E), playing another note on the E string (G) then plucking and bending down the G/B again but it's a chore. I'd love a B bender too.

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Post subject: Re: B bender.
Posted: Mon Dec 27, 2010 11:04 pm
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ah, i see now. now i know.

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Post subject: Re: B bender.
Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2010 11:28 pm
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Here's mine, box-stock Fender, weighs a ton. Pictures from a calendar shoot some years ago.

Working the B makes more sense if you do -- and understand -- a lot of extended-chord work.

Unfortunately, a B-bender is almost impossible to play well. I personally never heard anyone but Clarence White who could.

The problem is that with a B-bender, it is extremely difficult to get the same bend attack as with a steel or a choked note. The pitch bend tends to be almost linear rather than aggressively front-loaded and therefore sounds awful.

After realizing that no one else seemed to be able to do it (including all the enthusiasts who for some reason think they can), I didn't even try to learn. :(


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Post subject: Re: B bender.
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 3:02 am
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Bezmotivnik wrote:
The problem is that with a B-bender, it is extremely difficult to get the same bend attack as with a steel or a choked note. The pitch bend tends to be almost linear rather than aggressively front-loaded and therefore sounds awful.


Could it be the design of the stock Fender B-bender? Are McVay benders easier to play?

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Post subject: Re: B bender.
Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2011 10:45 am
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gcoudert wrote:
Bezmotivnik wrote:
The problem is that with a B-bender, it is extremely difficult to get the same bend attack as with a steel or a choked note. The pitch bend tends to be almost linear rather than aggressively front-loaded and therefore sounds awful.


Could it be the design of the stock Fender B-bender?

No, it's that just if you have to move the whole guitar, pivoting on the back strap pin, there's so much inertia involved that it's extremely hard to nuance the "shape" of the bend. Of course, the sheer weight of the Parsons-Green bender contributes to this inertia compared to all other bender designs.

A good-sounding bend or choke -- by whatever method -- is not linear.

The typical B-bender choke by the typical player has that "seasick" sound, like you're in a boat riding up and down a sine wave. Others call it a "bungee" sound, as the attack is so slow.

Can it be done right? Sure, Clarence White proved it...but it's going to take a lot of serious practice and you're going to wear out a lot of those cork stop pads. Your ear and your arm are really going to need a good working relationship.

You see guys on Youtube with B-benders who look like they're working a bumper jack. That doesn't cut it.

What amazes me is that B-bender players seem deaf to this problem. Trust me, the listener isn't. :roll:


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Post subject: Re: B bender.
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:33 pm
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RickyD how you liking the B Bender now? have you got a chance to give it a good play?

I really like when it's used a bit out of the box , so rather then country all the time, i like how James Hetfield uses it on the clean versus of "the Unforgiven II" that sound on that riff alone has had me wanting one just to mess around with.


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Post subject: Re: B bender.
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 9:53 pm
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i dont think he likes it much. hes never in here talking about it with us. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: B bender.
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:00 pm
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ok while i bumped an old thread, i did it with purpose. what do you guys think about a G/B Bender ???

check it out
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1Qq3kkeUcg


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Post subject: Re: B bender.
Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2011 10:10 pm
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thats a sweet piece right there. i like the finish on it.
i like the fact that the guy shows the guts of the bender.
ive wondered how that thing works.
yes ricky im starting to like the idea of the bender.
no i wont trade you. not at this point anyways. :wink:

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