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The number one thing that makes me think that the wood may affect tone is that a lot of guitar companies are switching to Nitro finishes because and I quote Paul Reed Smith "nitro cellulose finishes allow the wood to breathe and resonate more freely." I am definitely not in the school of thought that wood will drastically change the tone, just improve/worsen sustain, add/reduce brightness and allow the guitar itself to shine through in the tone with less reliance on effects and different electronics combinations. The main reason I asked this question was to get an idea of whether or not another body would wood change my tone more than just the small nuances. And I'm going to judge by the back and forth nature of this conversation (knowing that most of you own multiple guitars) that there really wouldn't be much of a difference. And yes...90% of the tone is in the hands anyway.

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How does wood, first absorb certain frequencies and then transfer them back with enough energy to impact the vibration of the strings?

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As we know from the law of conservation of energy: energy is always conserved. The vibrations produced from a guitar's string do not simply bleed into space and disappear. If you want a more detailed analysis that is guitar-specific, you can send me one of yours and I'd be happy to take measurements and provide formulae, but my time is scant. How's US$500 plus equipment costs, per day?

It's not any more a ridiculous proposition than most of the other posts here, excepting a few reality checks (thank you Capo).


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As we know from the law of conservation of energy: energy is always conserved. The vibrations produced from a guitar's string do not simply bleed into space and disappear. If you want a more detailed analysis that is guitar-specific, you can send me one of yours and I'd be happy to take measurements and provide formulae, but my time is scant. How's US$500 plus equipment costs, per day?

It's not any more a ridiculous proposition than most of the other posts here, excepting a few reality checks (thank you Capo).


Yeah, sorry about that >_> Normally when I see a question I ponder the answer and keep it to myself. When I've had a couple of beers (like I did yesterday), for some reason I feel the need to answer everything like it's a seminar. One time one of my friends at the bar asked the question, "Why is Guinness black?" I was told by others there the next day that I went on for 30 minutes lecturing, talking about the visible spectrum of light, etc...<_<

Anyways, I do prefer ash in my guitars. Not for the tone, it's just Alder is not as fun to say, at least IMHO. Nothing beats koa though. I'd like a guitar made out of koa with a pau ferro fretboard. Koa Pau! <_______<

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As we know from the law of conservation of energy: energy is always conserved. The vibrations produced from a guitar's string do not simply bleed into space and disappear. If you want a more detailed analysis that is guitar-specific, you can send me one of yours and I'd be happy to take measurements and provide formulae, but my time is scant. How's US$500 plus equipment costs, per day?

It's not any more a ridiculous proposition than most of the other posts here, excepting a few reality checks (thank you Capo).


Yeah, sorry about that >_> Normally when I see a question I ponder the answer and keep it to myself. When I've had a couple of beers (like I did yesterday), for some reason I feel the need to answer everything like it's a seminar. One time one of my friends at the bar asked the question, "Why is Guinness black?" I was told by others there the next day that I went on for 30 minutes lecturing, talking about the visible spectrum of light, etc...<_<

Anyways, I do prefer ash in my guitars. Not for the tone, it's just Alder is not as fun to say, at least IMHO. Nothing beats koa though. I'd like a guitar made out of koa with a pau ferro fretboard. Koa Pau! <_______<


+1 for the Pau Ferro...I have seen some pau fretboards with some of the most unique grain. They look and feel awesome.

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Depending on the type of ash it can contribute to much greater sustain if it's the heavier black ash.I had a black ash Strat that weighed about 11 lbs and it sustained like a concert grand piano but unfortunately was much too heavy to gig with so I had to get rid of it.

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The bodies I was looking at are actually swamp ash. I didn't realize that at first. And I'm thinking that with a flamed or birdseye maple top. Or I'll just stick with the plain old black body and just mod the crap out of it with a new bridge pickup, new bridge with graphite saddles, and some locking tuners. If possible, I may also rewire the pickup switch so I can have the bridge/neck pickup combo, as I never use the 4th position on the 5way anyhow.

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Capo wrote:
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As we know from the law of conservation of energy: energy is always conserved. The vibrations produced from a guitar's string do not simply bleed into space and disappear.
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... excepting a few reality checks (thank you Capo).


Yeah, sorry about that >_> Normally when I see a question I ponder the answer and keep it to myself. When I've had a couple of beers (like I did yesterday), for some reason I feel the need to answer everything like it's a seminar. One time one of my friends at the bar asked the question, "Why is Guinness black?" I was told by others there the next day that I went on for 30 minutes lecturing, talking about the visible spectrum of light, etc...<_<

Anyways, I do prefer ash in my guitars. Not for the tone, it's just Alder is not as fun to say, at least IMHO. Nothing beats koa though. I'd like a guitar made out of koa with a pau ferro fretboard. Koa Pau! <_______<


Don't get me wrong, I appreciated your post. In fact, you came in and posted pretty much what I would have, at that point.

I was going to edit my post, though, because it came off as a bit snarky to most everyone else here. But now you've gone and quoted me. Dang. :?

At any rate, I don't have any illusions of changing minds, here. I'll just leave off by saying that sometimes the answer to the question (in reference to the original question) is simpler and involves more common sense and basic physics than anecdotes.

Now I'm craving a Guinness.


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Yeah, problem posting on the internet is there's no inflection. I wasn't sure if that was a thank you as if I just baked you a cake or a pie or something of that sort or it was a thank you as in I just blew the gig. So I apologized anyway to be safe, as women have taught me you can never be too sorry. >_>

As for TDM, I never played a tele with an ash body/maple top, but I have heard one. Owner of my local shop has an old custom shop tele (around 10-20 yrs) that has flamed maple on ash with an old school sunburst finish. Sounds freaking sweet, one of the best teles I've ever heard (course the shop owner could easily make a living playing professionally, very good). So if you decide to go that route I can assure you that combo works well indeed. ^^

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So if you decide to go that route I can assure you that combo works well indeed. ^^


Good to know. I'm pretty well set on the combo, and I think it's gonna be awesome.

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Depending on the type of ash it can contribute to much greater sustain if it's the heavier black ash.I had a black ash Strat that weighed about 11 lbs and it sustained like a concert grand piano but unfortunately was much too heavy to gig with so I had to get rid of it.


You know the expression "suffer for art"... that fits your story. I know it too well. I've got a monster Tele with one of the heaviest Alder bodies in the history of planet Earth. It feels like having a midget hang by my neck and stab my shoulder every time I turn clockwise... but it produces otherworldly harmonics and sustain during heavy chord-play. It actually changed the way I played guitar for many years. I'd rather lose my big toe than this guitar, though.


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I'm from Pittsburg California, while this a steel town, it's not the Steel Town.

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