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Post subject: Help installg Fendr Vint. N-less pups in '09 MIM tele.
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 12:06 am
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Just found out my new MIM tele is not noise cancelling in the middle switch position. I want to install Fender Vintage Noiseless pups.

Do I need to change the pots to 500k? Or is this optional? If optional what are the advantages of each value - 250 and 500?

Also, do I need to install a new capacitor?

Thanks for your feedback.

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Post subject: MIM Strat change to noiseless pickups
Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 7:18 am
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Hi 1Duffy1,

Standard Strats are only noise canceling in positions 2 and 4 of the pickup selector switch, not the middle position. Std Teles have no RWRP middle pickup, so they aren't noise cancelling in any position (2 pickup Tele). Normally you won't need to change pots or caps when changing to noiseless pickups. But, which type of noiseless are you thinking about, there are many types, and all sound quite a bit different than your Std pickups. A 500K pot might make the sound a bit brighter than a 250K, definitely don't need brighter with the noiseless though. :idea:

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Posted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 8:48 am
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the fender noisless kit that came with my pickups had the pots with it. and new caps as well. they were 500 500 and 1 meg
i stayed with the origonal large fender pots i installed with a set of texas specials i tryed before the noisless.

so i have 2 250 pots in my strat and it sounds great with the fender noisless pickups. dont know if that would work out with the n1s

on the other hand my mim tele 1995 is very quiet no changes needed.


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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 1:49 am
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I want to replace these hot ceramics with noiseless pickups of some kind. Maybe I'll put the ceramics in my Squier Standard tele, but I think it even has noise cancelling in the middle switch position, so why?

Any ideas on noiseless tele pickups and if I will need to use replacement pots and a new capicitor?

Your feedback is appreciated.

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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:21 am
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just replace the pickups. they give you the stuff if you buy the kit. but you dont have to change everything i didnt and its nice and quiet.


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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 5:39 am
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I apppreciate that amx05.

Sounds easy enough. I thought you needed 500k pots and a different capacitor. That must be for an optional sound or differnet sensitivity of the controls.

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Post subject: Noiseless Tele pickups
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 6:53 am
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1Duffy1 wrote:
...my Squier Standard tele, but I think it even has noise cancelling in the middle switch position, so why?....


How do you get noise canceling with 2 pickups? Unless you have 3 pickups in that Squier, there is no noise canceling. Maybe the Squier is quieter, but not noise canceling. :idea:

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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:01 am
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To explain how you get noise cancelling in a tele: you have to have one of the two pickups reverse wound reverse polarity in respect to the other pickup. In this way when you put the pickup selector in the middle position, combining both pickups, the noise is cancelled, but only when in the middle pickup switch position. This is the way a lot of teles are rigged up. These are just regular single coils, nothing special except the RWRP of one of the pickups - this is essential. Why they didn't do it on the new MIM tele's is beyond me.

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Post subject: RWRP Tele pickups
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:26 am
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Thanks 1Duffy1,

I didn't realize that some 2 pickup Teles had a RWRP pickup. My Amer Std doesn't have noise canceling.... :oops: I suppose that the noise canceling 2 pickup Teles have a lower/muted output compared to the Std?

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Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 9:47 am
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I don't think they have lower output, Shim. One of the pickups is just RWRP. The middle position is the only place it comes into play noticeably to me. Maybe a little less loud than my MIM in the middle.

The CV and CVC Squier teles have noise cancelling in the middle position. This is a nice feature as far as I'm concerned because I really don't like to be trapped into a lot of buzzing - on a strat you can get away from it for a while on most models.

Hard to believe that even your American Standard tele doesn't noise cancel in the middle pickup switch position. Are you sure about that? You might want to check that if you don't use the middle switch position much. It might be noise cancelling. Not to insinuate that you don't know about your own guitar, just thinking I might be helpful if you didn't notice it before.

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Post subject: Tele noise canceling
Posted: Sun Oct 31, 2010 11:42 am
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Yep, no noise canceling in mine. The middle position is my favorite, it's THE Tele sound to me. I was thinking about a Strat, in position 2 and 4 (noise cancel w/ mid pickup paralleled), sounds a little lower volume, not as clear as the single positions, as if the treble were turned down a little. I figured it would be the same for a Tele with a RWRP pickup. Think of the difference in humbucker (2 coils paralleled, one coil reversed), and a single coil. The humbucker is warmer while the single is brighter (more perceived vol). While checking out Teles when I bought mine, I played several, including MIM and I don't remember any of them with noise canceling. I suppose that in order to get noise canceling, it wouldn't come for free, maybe at the cost of a little clarity/volume? :)

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