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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished)
Posted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 7:06 pm
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Kong, that is one beautiful tele, you must be proud of the job you did. You guys that have done these projects are very inspiring to me, Thanks


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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 9:47 am
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I took a few pics while sanding with a different camera and just remembered I had these pics. I wanted to show a bit of the sanding process. The first shot shows the "orange peel" texture after spraying.

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I began using 800 grit wet/dry sandpaper soaked in water with a bit of dish detergent for a lubricant. I use a small pencil eraser as a sanding block and use light pressure. I actually staple the sandpaper to the eraser so that it does not move around. I read this tip on the re-ranch forum and it works great. I keep a bowl of water mixed with a small amount of dish detergent and rinse the sandpaper often to keep it from getting all gunked up.

You can see that I'm starting to knock down the high spots in this picture. The shiny spots are the low spots and the goal is to get all the shiny spots to disappear.

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I sand each grade of sandpaper in 1 direction. Then when I do the next grade I switch direction 90 degrees to go across the sanding marks that were left on the last pass. The goal is to remove all of the marks and scratches from each previous grade of paper. I went from 800, to 1000, to 1,500 and then 2,000 grade paper in this manner.

Here is what it looked like when I got rid of just about all the shiny spots with the 800 sandpaper:

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:05 am
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Excellent!!
Hope you have more pics of the process.
Do you use the same process for the sides?

Hard to believe this is done with a spray can!

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished ... almost)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:17 am
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Andybighair wrote:
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Can you double check the wiring against your other Tele to make sure? Just ignore the push/pull part and check out the Jack to make sure nothings grounding out.

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Andy,

As usual you are correct. There is no ground wire from pot to pot on my other Tele. I may try switching the cap from .022uf to .047uf.

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 10:30 am
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Excellent!!
Hope you have more pics of the process.
Do you use the same process for the sides?

Hard to believe this is done with a spray can!


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I'm afraid I don't have much more in the way of pics. You should use the same process on the sides, but I am not that patient and ended up just going down the length of the sides with each grit of paper. I did end up with a slight amount of orange peel on the sides, but it is hardly noticeable when you polish it. You have to be careful around the edges to avoid sanding all the way through the clear into the color or even the primer layer.

When you move to the next grit you just go across the marks you just made. This helps to keep track of your progress as well.

For polishing I followed the directions on the bottle of compound. You shake the bottle and apply some to the surface of the guitar. I like to spread it with the buffer a bit before I turn the buffer on to keep blobs of compound from flying all over the place. Then you turn on the buffer and you can give a bit of pressure at first. Then as you buff the compound begins to dry a bit and you ease up on the pressure. It probably took me 10 - 15 minutes of buffing each side for each of the 2 grades of compound I used. After you're finished buffing, you wipe away any excess with a soft cloth. You'll know that you're done, because it will be amazingly smooth and shiny.

I agree that it is amazing what can be accomplished with spray cans. There are a ton of good projects that you can learn from on the reranch forum as well.

http://www.reranch.com/reranch/viewforum.php?f=1

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 11:00 am
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Thank you Sir!
Just an amazing job and wonderfully explained.
Hope the electrics get sorted out and make it complete.

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished ... almost)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 2:37 pm
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Andybighair wrote:
Howdy Kong,

Bed time over my way but tomorrow I'll give this my full attention. In the mean time PM Martian. I reckon he'll know the score. :D

Andy

(Man, that Tele looks good!)


I took your excellent advice and PM-ed Martian. Hopefully he'll check in and help this earthling.

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished ... almost)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:00 pm
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Kong wrote:
Andybighair wrote:
Howdy Kong,

Bed time over my way but tomorrow I'll give this my full attention. In the mean time PM Martian. I reckon he'll know the score. :D

Andy

(Man, that Tele looks good!)


I took your excellent advice and PM-ed Martian. Hopefully he'll check in and help this earthling.

Hi Kong

Been pondering this all day! I've triple checked that diagram and bar the Push/pull ground wire on the wrong terminal switch (still kicking my self for that! Did you see my post on how to sort that out?). It should be all good. But then Martian has spotted mistakes on my diagrams before!

Regarding changing the cap value... Not sure if that would cause the noise or solve it. Of course if you want to be able to roll off more of the highs with the tone control then go for it! :D

The only thing I can think of is a badly potted pickup... other than that I'm beat! :?

Let me know what our Celestial Wiring Guru friend says.

Cheers!

Andy

Just out of interest is the noise audible in all switch positions?

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished ... almost)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 3:08 pm
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Andybighair wrote:
Kong wrote:
Andybighair wrote:
Howdy Kong,

Bed time over my way but tomorrow I'll give this my full attention. In the mean time PM Martian. I reckon he'll know the score. :D

Andy

(Man, that Tele looks good!)


I took your excellent advice and PM-ed Martian. Hopefully he'll check in and help this earthling.

Hi Kong

Been pondering this all day! I've triple checked that diagram and bar the Push/pull ground wire on the wrong terminal switch (still kicking my self for that! Did you see my post on how to sort that out?). It should be all good. But then Martian has spotted mistakes on my diagrams before!

Regarding changing the cap value... Not sure if that would cause the noise or solve it. Of course if you want to be able to roll off more of the highs with the tone control then go for it! :D

The only thing I can think of is a badly potted pickup... other than that I'm beat! :?

Let me know what our Celestial Wiring Guru friend says.

Cheers!

Andy

Just out of interest is the noise audible in all switch positions?


I'm not sure if I characterized the problem correctly by saying "noise". It sounds very harsh to me (noisy while playing) and it seems to be picking up harmonics and amplifying them more than what I'm used to. I think I might want to roll off the highs. I don't really think there is a mistake in your diagram at all! I'm just not digging the sound, it sounds terrible with any overdrive at all. I'm hoping the Martian can give me some other options. I do think I may be able to control the highs a bit better with the other cap, but I'm waiting.

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:00 pm
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I am mighty impressed!

Now to the 'particulars':

No surprise, Andy's drawing is correct so we can rule out an incorrect diagram.

FYI: With a Tele, your control plate is your 'ground wire', so to speak and so, pot to pot need not have a ground wire. However, your soldering of the capacitor's leg to the volume pot does not look heat sunk. You might want to hit it again. And while we're on the subject of capacitors, a higher value won't correct your problem. Rather, it will just muffle it.

If I'm interpreting your complaint correctly, you are getting extraneous noise of a microphonic nature from the guitar rather than undesirable tonality out of your pickups themselves. Is this correct? If so, there are three most likely causes. It could be any one or combination of the three:
1. Either or both of the pickups need to be (re)potted. If you crank up the volume on your amp and talk into either pickup and can hear your voice coming through the amp, then whichever pickup allows this must be repotted.
2. The mounting hardware of your bridge pickup to the bridge plate may be rattling. This will cause all sorts of wacky vibes.
3. Yes, I'm aware that many a pickup manufacturer says their pickups are potted. Yet, I can see from the top of your humbucker that the ring around it isn't holding any wax which can also give symptoms same as #2.

From my experience, assembly line pickups are 'dipped' in wax, not coil 'saturated' as many presume them to be. Even if they are though, if they don't use 1/5 beeswax to control shrinkage in the mix, the paraffin wax shrinks and gets brittle. Believe me when I tell you, I've repotted thousands of pickups where there is PLENTY of air being pushed out of these so called, "fully potted" pickups.

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 5:34 pm
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Martian wrote:
I am mighty impressed!

Now to the 'particulars':

No surprise, Andy's drawing is correct so we can rule out an incorrect diagram.

FYI: With a Tele, your control plate is your 'ground wire', so to speak and so, pot to pot need not have a ground wire. However, your soldering of the capacitor's leg to the volume pot does not look heat sunk. You might want to hit it again. And while we're on the subject of capacitors, a higher value won't correct your problem. Rather, it will just muffle it.

If I'm interpreting your complaint correctly, you are getting extraneous noise of a microphonic nature from the guitar rather than undesirable tonality out of your pickups themselves. Is this correct? If so, there are three most likely causes. It could be any one or combination of the three:
1. Either or both of the pickups need to be (re)potted. If you crank up the volume on your amp and talk into either pickup and can hear your voice coming through the amp, then whichever pickup allows this must be repotted.
2. The mounting hardware of your bridge pickup to the bridge plate may be rattling. This will cause all sorts of wacky vibes.
3. Yes, I'm aware that many a pickup manufacturer says their pickups are potted. Yet, I can see from the top of your humbucker that the ring around it isn't holding any wax which can also give symptoms same as #2.

From my experience, assembly line pickups are 'dipped' in wax, not coil 'saturated' as many presume them to be. Even if they are though, if they don't use 1/5 beeswax to control shrinkage in the mix, the paraffin wax shrinks and gets brittle. Believe me when I tell you, I've repotted thousands of pickups where there is PLENTY of air being pushed out of these so called, "fully potted" pickups.


Martian,

Thanks for posting, excellent info as always! I turned up my amp and tested to see if the pickups are acting microphonically, and the both are to some extent. I think this may be part of the problem. Another thing I observed is that when I play a fretted note, like the D string at the 9th fret (B), for example, there is a quite noticeable B harmonic coming from the low E string. It sounds like the harmonic is same frequency as the fretted note. It is also happening with other note / string combinations and is very clearly heard through an amplifier. Could the pickups acting in a microphonic manner exacerbate this issue? Not sure what it all means, but maybe this guitar is extra-resonant?

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished)
Posted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 6:21 pm
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Kong wrote:
Martian,

Thanks for posting, excellent info as always! I turned up my amp and tested to see if the pickups are acting microphonically, and the both are to some extent. I think this may be part of the problem. Another thing I observed is that when I play a fretted note, like the D string at the 9th fret (B), for example, there is a quite noticeable B harmonic coming from the low E string. It sounds like the harmonic is same frequency as the fretted note. It is also happening with other note / string combinations and is very clearly heard through an amplifier. Could the pickups acting in a microphonic manner exacerbate this issue? Not sure what it all means, but maybe this guitar is extra-resonant?

~Kong


You're welcome and thank you!

Like I said, with microphonic pickups, you will get all sorts of wacky noises including amplified sympathetic vibrations such as you are experiencing now with the harmonics. Unfortunately, no guitar is this resonant. Rather, it is interplay between the entire bridge assembly and the pickups.

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished)
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:11 am
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Ah Ha!
Martian wrote:
If I'm interpreting your complaint correctly, you are getting extraneous noise of a microphonic nature from the guitar rather than undesirable tonality out of your pickups themselves. Is this correct? If so, there are three most likely causes. It could be any one or combination of the three:
1. Either or both of the pickups need to be (re)potted. If you crank up the volume on your amp and talk into either pickup and can hear your voice coming through the amp, then whichever pickup allows this must be repotted.
2. The mounting hardware of your bridge pickup to the bridge plate may be rattling. This will cause all sorts of wacky vibes.
3. Yes, I'm aware that many a pickup manufacturer says their pickups are potted. Yet, I can see from the top of your humbucker that the ring around it isn't holding any wax which can also give symptoms same as #2.

From my experience, assembly line pickups are 'dipped' in wax, not coil 'saturated' as many presume them to be. Even if they are though, if they don't use 1/5 beeswax to control shrinkage in the mix, the paraffin wax shrinks and gets brittle. Believe me when I tell you, I've repotted thousands of pickups where there is PLENTY of air being pushed out of these so called, "fully potted" pickups.

My suspicions confirmed!

So what's the score Kong? Are you going to have a go a re-potting your pickups?

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Post subject: Re: Kong's Sherwood Green Tele Build (FInished)
Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 10:48 am
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Andybighair wrote:
Ah Ha!

My suspicions confirmed!

So what's the score Kong? Are you going to have a go a re-potting your pickups?

Andy


I might try potting and I'm sure that is the issue. I've been studying the diagrams for the Fat Telecasters in the support section. They are all using 500K pots. They also show a 270K resistor from the switch where the bridge pickup wire is connected to the volume pot, and a ground wire from the volume pot to a lug in the bottom of the control cavity. I'm thinking of changing the pots to 500K, adding the resistor and the ground wire.

I'll record a bit of sound and post it here, make the changes and make another recording. If all that fails, I guess I'll have to learn to pot the pickups. I'm a bit concerned about the humbucker because I dont want to mess up the nice pearl look of it. I also may upgrade the humbucker at some point.

Andy, 1 big question. I ran down to radio shack and they have the 270K resistors in 1/8, 1/4 and 1/2 watt options. Which would be correct for a guitar circuit? I have no idea.

Here is a link to the diagram I am using as a model. I am only really using this diagram for the resistor and the ground wire, otherwise I'm still following your original diagram but changing to 500K pots.

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... A_SISD.pdf

I'm very interested in your thoughts on this, Andy.

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Posted: Sun Jan 23, 2011 1:10 pm
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Very nice Kong. Another great build............... 8) Mike

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