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Post subject: Perfection isn't the best way...
Posted: Tue May 11, 2010 12:53 pm
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....per Merle Haggard on today's country music :

"But it’s a different world. It’s an electronic world and a world of perfection, a world without much spirit. I think there’s some sort of soul to it, but there’s no chance of a mistake and no chance of hearing a breath, like you used to be able to hear Elvis breathe, you know?

You just can’t hear anyone breathe; they take those noises out! So what you have is a bunch of perfect perfection, which is so boring to me. Songs without any melodies. Songs with one note being held out and a hundred chords played underneath it that don’t mean anything. It’s just songs without any message. What’s the mentality? What are they talking about? There’s no originality anymore. Everything is a copy of something else.

I just wish we could hear somebody come down the pipe that sounded like they had something original. [For example], they could sing without a band. They could sit up there with a guitar and entertain the millions. Just them and their guitar. And the sad part about it is, the program directors in the world wouldn’t allow that!"

The above is from an interview on Pop Matters. I would link it, but Merle expresses some strong opinions on some hot button topics!!!

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Posted: Sat May 15, 2010 8:15 am
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All very true. I am against over production of music... everything is stale, generic and lifeless these days.

That definitely includes over processed guitar playing, not just vocals. Country music is very generic these days... more so than other genres.


+1

With all of the pitch correction tools and digital note stretching...it's kind of dull and boring.

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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 11:28 am
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I agree. Too perfect.


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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 1:10 pm
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Do you have a link for the original article? (so saying, showing my laziness when I should just Google it)

Merle states what's going on across a lot of life for us all these days. And indirectly points out a problem within the music and entertainment industry.

First off, *every thing is becoming a commodity. People talk about craftsmanship and artistry, but 999 out of 1.000 will go to Walmart and get a set of shelves rather than a carpenter, or make it themselves. Commodization of the music is exactly what Merle is speaking to, just listen to the auto-tune, compressed, filtered and groomed offerings from pop to rock to county.

Second, the big media companies are trying to be the gate keepers to these commodities. Not working so well these days with the internetz tubez, Facebook, direct touring band sales of CD's, etc. But unfortunately, they keep offering us the same commodity they have all along and wondering why we're not buying it as much.

I think the days of the big artist are gone.


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Posted: Sun May 16, 2010 4:20 pm
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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 11:27 am
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It's also about the mentality of most people these days.

Back in the 60's people used to sit down and enjoy a whole festival that way. Musicians would jam, play slow songs and instrumentals for half an hour... I just can't imagine something like this happening now. Have you seen anyone sitting down during a...(place name of an emo, "modern rock" or new country group here)... show? :roll:

21st century young folks want everything "now". They are much more used in receiving high-speed information because they have been "victims" of it since much earlier than us - the evolution and presence of computers in our homes contributes to that a lot. Studies have shown that they often get bored and lose motivation when they don't have quick enough results from an activity they do. So turn on that distortion preset and play a loud 3:00 minute song (nothing against them being 3 min. but just not all them) soaking in power chords and there you have it, you strike them right in their heads. I can tell you guys I've seen some younger people skipping through songs, saying how terrible this song was just because the vocalist didn't start singing in the first 5 seconds.

There's mostly no space in the media for people that want to jam and experiment, save rare exceptions. But people here in the forum are 60's music lovers I believe - this is something particular to most Tele-lovers - we like "old" unperfect music :lol: . We can find the good bands if we search for them.


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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 4:10 pm
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Lady Gaga's trim would be interesting to see.


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Posted: Mon May 17, 2010 5:28 pm
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Haha don't throw all of us young people into the easily satisfied boat. I was raised on a diet of Arlo Guthrie, Crosby Stills Nash and Young, Beatles and countless other "oldies." That being said there are still bands out there (many of them instrumental) who jam: Pelican and Explosions in the Sky are the first two that come to mind. And as far as overproduced, my favorite band, Thrice self produced their last few albums and actually strive for a raw natural rock sound. I agree that many of my generation are obsessed with instant gratification, but a few of us hold outs, do still understand that patience is a virtue, and taking your time helps you catch just a little more enjoyment in life.


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terrapotomus wrote:
Haha don't throw all of us young people into the easily satisfied boat. I was raised on a diet of Arlo Guthrie, Crosby Stills Nash and Young, Beatles and countless other "oldies." That being said there are still bands out there (many of them instrumental) who jam: Pelican and Explosions in the Sky are the first two that come to mind. And as far as overproduced, my favorite band, Thrice self produced their last few albums and actually strive for a raw natural rock sound. I agree that many of my generation are obsessed with instant gratification, but a few of us hold outs, do still understand that patience is a virtue, and taking your time helps you catch just a little more enjoyment in life.


You see, you are one of those not part of the average that I talked about :D makes all sense you are in a Telecaster forum! :wink:


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Post subject: Too Much Manufactured Music
Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 12:29 am
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I often lament the manufactured music that exists today even in country music.

Step 1 find pretty girl
Step 2 Market test pretty girl
Step 3 Buy song from proven writer
Step 4 record song (Ability to Sing not required)
Step 5 Computer clean recording
Step 6 release and count cash

There seem to be very few original voices in music these days. I can only hope that the crowd starts to demand more.[/i]


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Posted: Wed May 19, 2010 11:07 am
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Oliver Jenkins remarks are right on the money..It's what American Idol is based on. It's that formula that has worked for years.

1. Find some no name, marketable singer
2. Have them gain the public popularity. The public calls in 30 million votes. Each votor buys a cd.
3. Record company/producer/promoters get rich
4. What was that winner's name again?

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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:25 am
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http://www.popmatters.com/pm/feature/12 ... -interview

Here is the interview for those interested. I have been a Merle fan since I was a little kid. The guy is super. I gotta say I agree with his views on everything in the interview.

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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 1:34 pm
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BlackCatBone wrote:
http://www.popmatters.com/pm/feature/125236-he-is-what-he-is-the-merle-haggard-interview

Here is the interview for those interested. I have been a Merle fan since I was a little kid. The guy is super. I gotta say I agree with his views on everything in the interview.


I just saw this....very cool, eh!

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Posted: Thu May 20, 2010 6:46 pm
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Step 1 find pretty girl
Step 2 Market test pretty girl
Step 3 Buy song from proven writer
Step 4 record song (Ability to Sing not required)
Step 5 Computer clean recording
Step 6 release and count cash


And how's that business plan working out for y'all, media companies? As I put in a previous post, *everything* is becoming a commodity, which is pretty much what Merle is saying too. Not a lot of soul in today's market.

On the good side, there's a hundred and one local bands and musicians putting out fantastic material. Recording and studio equipment prices has dropped tremendously, so it is very feasible for a small band or solo musician to turn out their own CD's, market them online themselves or through a company like CD Baby. The music companies are not the gatekeepers any more.


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GTG wrote:
Lady Gaga's trim would be interesting to see.


:oops: :shock: :D

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