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Post subject: telecaster deluxe series MIM - Nashville or Something else
Posted: Thu Mar 11, 2010 10:05 pm
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Hello,

I just purchased a MIM deluxe series telecaster and I am trying to find out how it uses it's selector switch and coil tap.

I think that the guitar is one of the Nashville deluxe series telecaster, but the Nashville deluxe guitar has a five way selector switch and no coil tap. The one I own has a three (3) way selector switch and a coil tap on the tone knob. I thought that I could just get online and look up the manual, but after several days of looking I could only find a manual that references the Nashville telecaster. Anyway, none of the documents for deluxe series telecasters reference the use of the coil tap.

The guitar is very good looking. Candy Apple Red with a maple fretboard and telecaster pickup in the front and back with a stratacaster pickup in the middle. It was made in 2003 by the serial number and has "Deluxe Series" on the tip of the head.

Here is a link to the closest guitar match that I could find: http://www.guitarcenter.com/Fender-Delu ... 1146266.gc This looks exactly like my guitar, but works differently.

Thanks in advance for your help.


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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:27 am
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Is your "coil tap" a push-pull pot or a S-1 switch (in which you depress a button in the top of the knob)?

I put "coil tap" in quotes because if you don't coil tap single-coil pickups - coil tapping is what you do to use one coil of a humbucker. Most likely it's a switch to turn one of the pickups on or off or possibly to change a pair of pickups from serial to parallel, like a 4-way switch does.

MIM Nashville Telecasters come with a 5-way switch to give you these pickup combinations:

1. Neck
2. Middle + Neck
3. Middle
4. Middle + Bridge
5. Bridge

Notice that the stock setup doesn't give you the Bridge + Neck combination that is the middle position of a normal two-pickup/3-way switch Tele.

That's why lots of guys use a 5-way "super switch" (aftermarket part) torewire Nashvilles to elimnate the Middle (only) position and get the traditional Telecaster combination of Bridge + Neck pickups instead.

What I suspect someone did with your guitar was to rewire it with the 3-way switch and used either a push-pull pot (more likely since they're cheap and readily available) or a S-1 (harder to find) to turn on one of the pickups. This is also a common mod with Strats to get the Bridge + Neck pickup or even all three pickups on at once.

The only thing that confuses me is why a 3-way switch instead of a 5-way. A 5-way with a push-pull or S-1 gives you seven pickup combinations but a 3-way seems to unnecessarily limit the options.

Sorry to write a whole book here, but my point is I'm 99% sure a previous owner has modified the wiring on your guitar. That's probably a good thing if done well. If that were my guitar, I'd install a 5-way switch in addition to the push-pull or S-1 to get these options:

(not necessarily in order)

1. Neck
2. Middle + Neck
3. Middle
4. Middle + Bridge
5. Bridge
6. Bridge + Neck
7. Bridge + Middle + Neck


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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 10:47 am
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The first American Deluxes produced in 1998/99 featured the "Nashville" 3-pickup layout plus a 2-way toggle to obtain up to seven tonal combinations. Same wiring scheme as the late 1990s Tele Pluses.

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As of late 1999/early 2000, the American Deluxe Telecaster returned to the "normal" 2 pickup config. The 2-way toggle has been deleted and the 5-way switch replaced by the much conventional 3-way selector.

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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 11:03 am
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chromeface wrote:
The first American Deluxes produced in 1998/99 featured the "Nashville" 3-pickup layout plus a 2-way toggle to obtain up to seven tonal combinations. Same wiring scheme as the late 1990s Tele Pluses.


Didn't those have a 5-way switch though? I don't see how you could get "the magnificent seven", as I've heard it called, with only a 3-way switch and a toggle (or push-pull or S-1).

I'm wondering why anyone would wire up a Nashville Tele with a 3-way and a switch. Why not a 5-way, either the Fender Strat kind or a SuperSwitch, along with the on-off switch?


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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 2:37 pm
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These are all very good comments and all questions that have been rolling around in my mind about the setup. I did not know about the older American Telecaster Deluxe. I will start digging in that direction.

However ........

The best that I can come up with without opening up the guitar (I would not what to look for anyway) is the following:

Switch with Coil Tap IN (not S-1, for sure):
1. Neck + Middle (New)
2. Neck + Bridge (Standard Telecaster)
3. Middle + Bridge (New)

Switch with Coil Tap OUT (not S-1, for sure) for single coil:
1. Neck
2. Middle
3. Bridge

Does this made sense? It would give the same as the older American Telecaster Deluxe mentioned above????

Thanks in advance!


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Posted: Fri Mar 12, 2010 3:07 pm
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Yeah, that makes perfect sense.

I had not thought of that setup and wouldn't know how to wire that without looking it up online somewhere but that sounds pretty cool.

I'm more interested in Nashville wiring than some Tele players might be as I currently have a modified Nashville with no middle pickup and I keep thinking about sticking one in there just because I can - it's already routed and I can't leave Teles alone for long. :wink:

This might be what you have. It's from the Support / Wiring Diagrams page of this website and under American Deluxe Telecaster (Old):

http://www.fender.com/support/diagrams/ ... 02CPg2.pdf


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Posted: Sat Mar 13, 2010 7:10 am
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I don't know how you can be thinking coil tap on a guitar with three single coils ??


Not to be a wise a#* but position 1 is when the switch is all the way to the rear (nearest the vol. knob)

1) B
2) B&M
3) M
4)M&N
5)N


Just like the Strat the Nashville is "Strat-O-Tone" switching.

I have a Nashville and have also added a p/p pot to add the neck, so I have N&B like a reg. Tele.

In pos. 2 you can have all three pups on.

7 way !

Here are some good sites for switching options (mini toggles, push/pulls):

http://www.deaf-eddie.net/
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/


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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 9:03 am
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sjtalon wrote:
I don't know how you can be thinking coil tap on a guitar with three single coils ??


Not to be a wise a#* but position 1 is when the switch is all the way to the rear (nearest the vol. knob)

1) B
2) B&M
3) M
4)M&N
5)N


Just like the Strat the Nashville is "Strat-O-Tone" switching.

I have a Nashville and have also added a p/p pot to add the neck, so I have N&B like a reg. Tele.

In pos. 2 you can have all three pups on.

7 way !

Here are some good sites for switching options (mini toggles, push/pulls):

http://www.deaf-eddie.net/
http://www.seymourduncan.com/support/wiring-diagrams/




Thanks for your post. But, my guitar only has a three way switch not a five way. Can you tell me how the coil tap would be used then?

Thanks for your help. I will check out the web sites.


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Posted: Sun Mar 14, 2010 10:42 am
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It's not a coil tap. A coil tap is used with a humbucker pickup to let you hear just one of the two coils - effectively making a humbucker into a single coil when you flip the switch.

What you have is just a switch, not a coil tap switch.


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I love very much the transparent teal finish over the solid swamp ash body.

The teal Deluxes are perhaps the most coveted models Fender has ever produced after the Blueburst Pluses.


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Maybe the previous owner wired it so that the 3 way switch does the normal tele switching and the push/pull turns the middle pup on and off.

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Tochai wrote:
Maybe the previous owner wired it so that the 3 way switch does the normal tele switching and the push/pull turns the middle pup on and off.


I will try this out on the Tele when I get back home on Friday. Is there a way to tell which pickups are working at any one time?


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Tochai wrote:
Maybe the previous owner wired it so that the 3 way switch does the normal tele switching and the push/pull turns the middle pup on and off.


I will try this out on the Tele when I get back home on Friday. Is there a way to tell which pickups are working at any one time?


Touch the poles with something metal, if they stick (like a magnet) then the pickup is on.

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[quote="chromeface"]The first American Deluxes produced in 1998/99 featured the "Nashville" 3-pickup layout plus a 2-way toggle to obtain up to seven tonal combinations. Same wiring scheme as the late 1990s Tele Pluses.

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I was about to pull the trigger on a Baja in blonde, my local place got one in last week. I've wanted one for some time now, after seeing this I've changed my mind again :lol: I have to find one :? soon :lol: I love the look of this, I bet it sounds pretty cool too 8)


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Oh ya sorry 3 way. That would make sense of the p/p being the middle on then.


Tochai wrote:
Touch the poles with something metal, if they stick (like a magnet) then the pickup is on.


What ??


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