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The flaw in the proposition is that there is more to liking guitars than just playing them. If playing was the only criteria, wouldn't they all tend to look similar, as form would dictate function?

To a certain extent, this is true for acoustic guitars of course.

People buy Custom Shop, MIA, MIJ, MIM etc... not only because they are ALL good guitars, but because they are often DIFFERENT.

For the same reason, there is an entire subculture of people who assemble partscasters.

It's NOT snobbery, it's just diversity. It's only snobbery to people who feel threatened by the fact that someone decides to spend more on a guitar than then decide to.

Vive La Difference!


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Agreed! :wink:


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I chose all my guitars by playing literally everything in the shop (all price ranges) and finding the one I liked best. You know, when you play a guitar and just can't put it down! No concentrating on where it was made 8)

As it happens, both my Fenders are USA Standards... But their country of origin in no way influenced my decision :)


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I agree with you in alot of ways...but...I think that there is a slight difference between the MIA, MIMs...I have both and honestly don't see a really big difference other than the price tag....my new MIM Tele...is incredible...it is now my main guitar....I absolutely love it and find the craftsman ship to be exceptional. That said..I think the biggest origin snobs are generally the ones who really don't knwo how to play att that well as said in an earlier post by some of the folks here!


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I agree with you in alot of ways...but...I think that there is a slight difference between the MIA, MIMs...I have both and honestly don't see a really big difference other than the price tag....my new MIM Tele...is incredible...it is now my main guitar....I absolutely love it and find the craftsman ship to be exceptional. That said..I think the biggest origin snobs are generally the ones who really don't knwo how to play att that well as said in an earlier post by some of the folks here!


There we go!

It didn't take long to flush out a MIM owner that seems to think that just because people buy a MIA or Custom Shop, they are automatically trying to compensate for a lack of playing ability. What rubbish. How well you can play has nothing to do with what you can afford or what you aspire to. To imply it is the case is pretty offensive really.

The bottom line is that differences in the quality are slight, but it gets progressively more expensive to make those tiny (but significant) improvements. It truly is like comparing a Std US made car to a European Premium car. Sure, they are both nice cars, but there are differences which make the more expensive car slightly better. IS the extra cost woth the money? To some, no. To others, Yes.

From what I see consistently on this and other forums is a sort of reverse snobbery - that is MIM owners claiming that MIA owners are exhibiting snobbery, when in fact most MIA and Custom Shop owners couldn't really care less.

One final thing I would like to add: I buy and sell Telecasters from time to time and the only question I get asked EVERY TIME is "have you got any American Teles for sale". Whether you like it or not, there is a desire by most buyers to buy a MIA if they can afford one. And why not? They are great guitars. :wink:


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I have a MIM Tele my buddy has a MIA I must say there is a difference in build quality and overall sound with the MIA having the edge but I don't think the difference is significant enough to be worth hundreds of dollars.I love my $450 Tele it sings so pretty.

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AjayTele wrote:
airbornestrat wrote:
Captain,
I agree with you in alot of ways...but...I think that there is a slight difference between the MIA, MIMs...I have both and honestly don't see a really big difference other than the price tag....my new MIM Tele...is incredible...it is now my main guitar....I absolutely love it and find the craftsman ship to be exceptional. That said..I think the biggest origin snobs are generally the ones who really don't knwo how to play att that well as said in an earlier post by some of the folks here!


There we go!

It didn't take long to flush out a MIM owner that seems to think that just because people buy a MIA or Custom Shop, they are automatically trying to compensate for a lack of playing ability. What rubbish. How well you can play has nothing to do with what you can afford or what you aspire to. To imply it is the case is pretty offensive really.

The bottom line is that differences in the quality are slight, but it gets progressively more expensive to make those tiny (but significant) improvements. It truly is like comparing a Std US made car to a European Premium car. Sure, they are both nice cars, but there are differences which make the more expensive car slightly better. IS the extra cost woth the money? To some, no. To others, Yes.

From what I see consistently on this and other forums is a sort of reverse snobbery - that is MIM owners claiming that MIA owners are exhibiting snobbery, when in fact most MIA and Custom Shop owners couldn't really care less.

One final thing I would like to add: I buy and sell Telecasters from time to time and the only question I get asked EVERY TIME is "have you got any American Teles for sale". Whether you like it or not, there is a desire by most buyers to buy a MIA if they can afford one. And why not? They are great guitars. :wink:



I don't think that you read what I said...I have both MIA and MIM....and if someone takes offense to my post that was not the intent...it was just the fact that I have seen and unfortunately heard far too many people who can't play talk so much trash about the origin of the guitar and that is why it sounds "bad" when in fact it was their playing....again...my whole point...who cares where the instrument came from...just play


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AjayTele wrote:
There we go!

How well you can play has nothing to do with what you can afford or what you aspire to. To imply it is the case is pretty offensive really.



I thought we were all pretty much in agreement on the first point. On the second, I don't think anyone was implying that. And if they were, I don't think the tone of the discussion is remotely offensive. :?


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airbornestrat wrote:
Captain,
I agree with you in alot of ways...but...I think that there is a slight difference between the MIA, MIMs...I have both and honestly don't see a really big difference other than the price tag....my new MIM Tele...is incredible...it is now my main guitar....I absolutely love it and find the craftsman ship to be exceptional. That said..I think the biggest origin snobs are generally the ones who really don't knwo how to play att that well as said in an earlier post by some of the folks here!



A friggin men.

About time somebody said that.

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While there are alot of good points presented here do have to say this.

Both of my guitars are MIMs. The reason I went with the MIMs is because I knew that I was going to mod it to get what I wanted without the custom shop price. After modding both I still came out cheaper then if I were to go MIA or Custom Shop. Haveing said that I'm not putting MIAs and Custom Shop owners down. But the thing that gets me is when someone sees the MIM and put it down for where it was made. Now granted there is not much of a resale value on the MIM but I don't plan on ever selling them. But I will tell you this they change their mind when they hear how great it sounds. I've even had one person after hearing it and then finding out it was a MIM argue till he was blue in the face that there was no way that guitar was a MIM.

The way I see it sure the MIMs are cheaper but that doesn't mean they aren't good guitars. With the newer batch coming out the quality seem to be getting better. And why not Fender seem to realise how popular they are.


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Drunkinminer wrote:
The reason I went with the MIMs is because I knew that I was going to mod it to get what I wanted ....


That's a really good point.

But not quite good enough to make me take the logic to it's conclusion and buy a Squier!!! (It's the Fender logo wot duz it for me.)


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VerySlowHand wrote:

That's a really good point.

But not quite good enough to make me take the logic to it's conclusion and buy a Squier!!! (It's the Fender logo wot duz it for me.)


That is true but my point is that it shouldn't be about where it was made or even whats on the headstock. When I got my MIM's I even considered a Squier but after look at the bigger picture I could get a Fender for a little more and get the Fender.

The Squier CV series for example get alot of good reviews. I haven't seen a bad review yet. Not that's not to say there are people out there that don't like them.

What I'm trying to say is that no matter what you get be it Squier, MIM, MIA, Custom Shop as long as you are happy with the Guitar and it gives you pleasure playing it then thats all that matters. And if someone wants to criticize that then thats their problem.


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Drunkin....I agree with you 100%. I love everyone of my guitars...but my new Tele which I call Brooklyn is the best I have ever played...it is my main guitar! And it is an MIM...:)


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if we all had the same guitars made in the same place then life would be perfectly boring by being different not only by where your guitar is from and what has been moded on it it becomes YOURS and it gets its own story and it allows us to each have something to show and talk to about with our other fellow guitarists if it sounds great to you thats what its important. we must all be different because thats what this country is all about being individual!! i bought a "closet classic" so to speak mij made in 83 and i love it because of its story and history and its sound


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right on Drew...:) I think that you and I see eye to eye


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