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Post subject: american tele electrical buzz problem
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:11 pm
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i have a fender american series telecaster hh with enforcer humbuckers...i have the guitar for about 3 years and not until now the buzz i get from letting the strings wide open has become annoying..when i touch with my hand one metallic part,this slight buzz goes away..i can notice this only on the drive channel..i remember this happening since the first day the guitar arrived at my house...but now the excitement is gone and i have began to notice all the flaws i can find...i've read that this is not a problem of bad grounding as many people think but due to bad sheilding,meaning that the cavity of the pots or the pickups is not properly shielded (good work fellas down at the factory :x ..)...now i will go to my guitar tech to shield it properly,but i am worried if this buzz won't go away...does anyone of you have any experience to such matters??thank you


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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 9:46 am
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Stephantom wrote:
hello there!
i have a fender american series telecaster hh with enforcer humbuckers...i have the guitar for about 3 years and not until now the buzz i get from letting the strings wide open has become annoying..when i touch with my hand one metallic part,this slight buzz goes away..i can notice this only on the drive channel..i remember this happening since the first day the guitar arrived at my house...but now the excitement is gone and i have began to notice all the flaws i can find...i've read that this is not a problem of bad grounding as many people think but due to bad sheilding,meaning that the cavity of the pots or the pickups is not properly shielded (good work fellas down at the factory :x ..)...now i will go to my guitar tech to shield it properly,but i am worried if this buzz won't go away...does anyone of you have any experience to such matters??thank you


Your problem is indeed normal and will become more prominent when put it into a drive channel type situation which again, is also normal. Further, your guitar already has shielding (paint) which is in fact, in the cavities of the pots, pickups, output jack and wire canals. Consequently, bringing your guitar to your tech for what is in reality, totally redundant shielding is a waste of time and money where any perceived noise improvement would be purely, "placebo". I would presume any competent, honest tech to explain this to you.

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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 12:03 pm
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hey there!at first,thanx for the reply!i agree that there is some sheilding in the guitar but..(..no disrespect..and i don't mean to disagree with you ..)..why doesn't this happen with my epiphone les paul standard nor with my fender lite ash stratocaster (both korean made) and just "happened" with my fender M.I.A telecaster,which has two humbuckers and costs more than my other two guitars??what i am trying to say here is that,from what i 've seen and heard sheilding could help reduce this noise...it all has to do with the "Faraday's cage" phenomenon..our body is a huge antenna for static electricity and that guitars with poor sheilding get affected by this...in the end,it just makes me mad that this happens to a guitar which costs 1200+ $...if you want to you can watch the following video( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ohqmX6 ... annel_page ) and see how this metal dude solved this problem by just putting aluminum foil to his pots cavity(to a guitar that costs about twice as my tele!!!)....
again thanx for replying!!


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Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2009 1:17 pm
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You have to leave money out of the equation. Although it is most logical to presume that you get more for paying more, this is not always the case. Those particular pickups in your Tele are actually not any kind of, "premium" pickups nor any better than the others you've cited by any means. Sure, they were designed to be loud and powerful but oftentimes, because of things like this, the quality of the coil wire and magnets along with the intended resonant peak create and amplify their own line noise as well. And then there's the whole eddy current issue. This is just a face value statement: Fender at large isn't nor ever was, known for superior, full sized humbuckers.

Rest assured, I'm most familiar with Michael Faraday's work.

I do appreciate the YouTube reference. Note that using aluminum as guitar shielding in any great quantity will add resistance and capacitance to the circuit as aluminum of itself is a poor conductor. It will weaken the overall output of the circuit and shift down overall frequency response while altering any eddy currents for better or for worse. So, if you have no problem with diminished output and a bassier circuit in general, I would then agree with you that this kind of shielding may and I do mean, MAY quiet down the guitar a bit. Regardless, you will be treating a symptom and not a cause. And, if you find yourself resetting your amp to recoup what was lost, you'll be right back where you started.

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hey there!at first,thanx for the reply!i agree that there is some sheilding in the guitar but..(..no disrespect..and i don't mean to disagree with you ..)..why doesn't this happen with my epiphone les paul standard nor with my fender lite ash stratocaster (both korean made) and just "happened" with my fender M.I.A telecaster,which has two humbuckers and costs more than my other two guitars??what i am trying to say here is that,from what i 've seen and heard sheilding could help reduce this noise...it all has to do with the "Faraday's cage" phenomenon..our body is a huge antenna for static electricity and that guitars with poor sheilding get affected by this...in the end,it just makes me mad that this happens to a guitar which costs 1200+ $...if you want to you can watch the following video( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4ohqmX6 ... annel_page ) and see how this metal dude solved this problem by just putting aluminum foil to his pots cavity(to a guitar that costs about twice as my tele!!!)....
again thanx for replying!!

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Martian i really appreciate your reply!it is BY FAR the most honest reply i ever got in all the forums i have posted this issue..i even got a reply that this problem occurred due to bad grounding :lol: ....The whole Faraday stuff i said wasn't to pretend that i am a wise guy,it's just that i study physics and it's really amazing to see these laws apply in the real life!
wish you the all the best man!cheers

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Glad to help. I try to cut through all the BS and explain a given situation in an informal but, "real world" manner. The most important thing is for the person asking the question(s) to receive and truly understand the answer(s) rather than me merely using their post as a platform to impress whomever with my technical and/or empirical knowledge of a subject.

Yes, as your studies surely enlighten you, Faraday is/was, "The Man" in many areas in addition to his many electronic principles as related to the world of electric guitars and amps.

Only all good things to you too!

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Martian i really appreciate your reply!it is BY FAR the most honest reply i ever got in all the forums i have posted this issue..i even got a reply that this problem occurred due to bad grounding :lol: ....The whole Faraday stuff i said wasn't to pretend that i am a wise guy,it's just that i study physics and it's really amazing to see these laws apply in the real life!
wish you the all the best man!cheers

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I am now scatching my head after reading postings Stephantom :?:

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cvilleira wrote:
I am now scatching my head after reading postings Stephantom :?:


hello :D
sorry but i don't get what you're saying...my english are not very good :oops:


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