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Ok, for one thing, a successful, professional musician IS a musician that makes a living and gets paid for playing music. You mean "Famous" type musicians right? Well, it doesn't matter to them about cost either does it? Paying three times as much for an MIA as opposed to an MIM could be considered exploitation since the ones I've played were NOT three times as good, period. Sounds like snobbery to me. Last time I read the specs on both MIA and MIM instruments I didn't see any exotic materials that the MIA had that the MIM didn't. Sure, pickups are made different and the bridge material is stainless as opposed to hardened steel, but really, three times as much? I would really like someone to actually come right out and justify price wise what makes an MIA Strat/Tele THREE times the price of an MIM. I can probably tell you: Slightly, and only very slightly better materials, finishing, and........LABOR costs. Even though the Corona factory probably employs 75%-80% Mexican labor they still have to abide by all the labor laws that apply in the US, not so in Mexico. BTW - Gibson is guilty of the same thing. They get 2500 bucks for a Les Paul because they can, not because it's that much better than an MIA Strat or Tele.


Wow again, aint this the truth though. I had been performing the requisite drooling over Les Pauls lately in consideration of both always wanting one and more likely snobbery and keeping up with the Jones's. But when it comes down to it for the money there was nothing to be impressed about except the eternal thought provoking question of "why does this guitar cost so much more than that one. It does play or sound better". Oh, must be that fancy name on the headstock!. But hey, if you like the sound and the feel then who am I to tell you different.

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Are there any website that profile the mexican teles?


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Long discussion, but each guitar is a guitar, although the ratio of mexican models that I played and liked is bigger than the US ones.

I see people talking about how the pot and "wire" in the US models are so much better..but this is such a cheap mod (even better if you can sold it yourself). Change the pickups if you want and go for it, there's nothing wrong about any of the mexican models (and no one would be able to tell if it's a mexican or US by listening anyway...).


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Okay fella's here's how I see it.

The MIM guitars are NOT crap, trash or rubbish. :D
The Squier guitars are NOT crap, trash or rubbish. :D
Nor are they as good as the MIA guitars. :shock:

:idea: In support of this position I submit the following: Successful professional musicians don't play MIM or Squier guitars. (By successful I mean selling lots of music and making lots of money. You're famous okay) Nor do they play Epiphones or PRS SE's. These successful professionals choose the best tool to practice their craft and that tool is a made in America guitar regardless of the manufacturer.


If you are making a lot of money, why not spend 1500$ dollars for an American Vintage? I would do the same of course, since they come with better hardware and pickups than most of the MIM models (except maybe if compared to the Classic Player's Series). But what happens is that not all of us has the dough for it. At the same time, even if the "world famous" artists mostly play US made Fenders guitars it doesnt mean that with a slightly modded MIM I can't get the tones of any MIA guitar or even better (of course, "better" is totally subjective) for much less money.

And I always thought that Mexico was in America. :roll:


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To me there's one critical issue that makes the MIA better than the MIM.

The neck. :!:

Bottom line is that the MIM necks are NOT as well made as the MIA necks and seeing that the neck is such a critical parts of the guitar, that will always mean that I prefer a MIA over a MIM. :D

By the time you get around to replacing the neck on a MIM guitar, you probably could have afforded the MIA in the first place. :wink:


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AjayTele wrote:
To me there's one critical issue that makes the MIA better than the MIM.

The neck. :!:

Bottom line is that the MIM necks are NOT as well made as the MIA necks and seeing that the neck is such a critical parts of the guitar, that will always mean that I prefer a MIA over a MIM. :D

By the time you get around to replacing the neck on a MIM guitar, you probably could have afforded the MIA in the first place. :wink:


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Thanks mate! :D

I know that MIM guitars are nice and a lot of people love them, but sometimes you just can't ignore that fact that they are cheaper guitars and paying for higher quality does mean you get something better. :wink:


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I've owned several MIM, MIJ and USA Stratocasters in my life.
The finishing of the necks/frets was good to great on all of them.
Difference in quality is in the body woods, hardware, PU's and finish.
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I see a whole lot of posts here about mexicans being noticably different.

To these folks, if they are given two identically colored and speced tele's so by looking at them you cannot tell any difference, would you be able to tell which one is mexican.

The mind is a funny thing, if you think one model is substandard, and play it alongside the model you "think" is superior, you will "think" you can hear and feel the difference.

How many would pick out the mexican though im sure would be a very very small number.

A lot would never admit this and defend the superiority of MIA to the grave. so be it, just something to think about though.


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I take your point schmitan, I've owned a few MIM Tele's and Strats. I loved them all to bits. But I would be lying, if I said I didn't notice any differences between them and my MIA Tele. That is by no means a put down, as I mentioned above I love the MIM guitars . I' wouldn't hesitate buying another MIM in the future, I'm sure I will this summer :lol:


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I take your point schmitan, I've owned a few MIM Tele's and Strats. I loved them all to bits. But I would be lying, if I said I didn't notice any differences between them and my MIA Tele. That is by no means a put down, as I mentioned above I love the MIM guitars . I' wouldn't hesitate buying another MIM in the future, I'm sure I will this summer :lol:

A man that speaks from experience and wisdom!! A good hearted one too! 8)


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I see a whole lot of posts here about mexicans being noticably different.

To these folks, if they are given two identically colored and speced tele's so by looking at them you cannot tell any difference, would you be able to tell which one is mexican.

The mind is a funny thing, if you think one model is substandard, and play it alongside the model you "think" is superior, you will "think" you can hear and feel the difference.

How many would pick out the mexican though im sure would be a very very small number.

A lot would never admit this and defend the superiority of MIA to the grave. so be it, just something to think about though.


I don't understand how you could make the comparison you are talking about, because the fact is that factory standard MIMs are NOT identically speced to the MIA versions. :?

They DO have noticeable differences, even some of the higher end MIMs (eg Baja and Nashville Deluxe) still have very noticeable differences in hardware quality and neck contruction. An example of this is the finishing around the truss rod adjuster on the headstock. On a MIM it's a larger diameter plastic tube and on the MIA it's a smaller diameter moulded piece of wood.

And I'm not talking MIM being substandard here...I'm just saying that there IS a difference in the quality level of the MIA over the MIM and that if you have the extra money, it's well worth getting the slightly better guitar. :wink:

For what it's worth, I own a number of MIM guitars (mostly the higher end ones) and a number of MIA guitars. I can most certainly tell the difference, but I am NOT saying that the MIMs are substandard. :D


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schmintan wrote:
I see a whole lot of posts here about mexicans being noticably different.

To these folks, if they are given two identically colored and speced tele's so by looking at them you cannot tell any difference, would you be able to tell which one is mexican.

The mind is a funny thing, if you think one model is substandard, and play it alongside the model you "think" is superior, you will "think" you can hear and feel the difference.

How many would pick out the mexican though im sure would be a very very small number.

A lot would never admit this and defend the superiority of MIA to the grave. so be it, just something to think about though.
I think there's a lot of quality level overlap between the MIA and MIM guitars now. 15 years ago when I bought my Strat, the MIM's seemd rickety and shoddy by comparison. Now I think the differences are a lot less drastic. The stuff mentioned above is all valid, but it really amounts to not a whole hill o' beans to average player.

Its kinda nuts to compare the Eric Johnson Strat to a MIM guitar though. That is kind of a premium model. it is head and shoulders above most of the american models (excepting some other artist series and custom shops,in my opinion.)

While there is debate as to whether MIM's are as good a guitar, it seems evident they are at least close, and some of the better models may be better than some of the poorer MIA models. What seems apparent though is that MIM's are certainly a great value. They are definitely professional quality. there is nothing wrong with them. I don't own one, and my next purchase is most likely going to be the EJ strat at the shop down the road, but if I didn't have the cash to buy an artist model, if the choice was a standard model, I would have to playtest the MIA's and MIM's in order to make the choice.

--editted cus something wierd happened with my quote, had some of someone elses post in here. :oops:


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Has anyone realized that the MIM Standard costs 450,00US$ and the MIA is 1,000US$ ? :roll: Why comparing the two models and expecting the MIM is at the same level or better?

Anyway, the Teles coming from Mexico are mostly great IMHO.


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I was in the market for a guitar last year, I tried a few Mexican Fenders and picked up a New American Standard Tele and thought the quality of workmanship and materials just felt better. I went with the New American Standard and would like to get a Strat to keep it company.


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