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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 6:10 am
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This is in response to Ajay Tele's last response.

Yes, I said that, and I can back it up. See this link:

http://www.nymphusa.com/tele/FactoryTourE.asp

Also, I did not buy a Lexus, when I got a higher end Toyota, and did not spend the money for the perceived level of quality in a Lexus. And they use the same parts and are built on the same assembly line. So except for styling, these vehicles are similar. I assume Toyota is an honest company; I would hope that they would give you your moneys worth, but hijinks will ensue and easy substitutions may occur (FWIW my wife likes Toyotas; I love Audis). This is the same setup in the Fender line, but with two different lines of assembly.

As an example of Fender's pulling parts out of the bins, look at the bridge serial numbers. They are random; there is no order because they simply pull a bridge off the top of the bin. It may have a higher number at the top and a lower number at the bottom. The only new part is the neck, which are made in the USA, the most important part of the guitar. The bodies are also made here in the USA, but that is subject to change. I have American parts on my guitar; Fender Ping tuners are as american as apple pie. But they are parts they have progressed from, e.g., Gotoh, Schallers, Kluson. And yes these parts are more expensive than the Pings (love their golf Clubs), as they are imported. They all work. I can't speak for the pickups, another important part, as they are absolutely shrouded in secrecy as to their origin, date or place of manufacture. But the hijinks will ensue.

Maybe Fender is allowing more production in Mexico, because the quality is excellent, and the results sublime. Better? I can't say, similar is all I can determine. Your ability to sell a guitar is difficult because the world economy blows, so keep your beloved guitars longer and you will get a better price. I'll keep mine under my bed for a future treasure hunter, hopefully my son or grandson.

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2009 7:02 am
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This is in response to Ajay Tele's last response.

Yes, I said that, and I can back it up. See this link:

http://www.nymphusa.com/tele/FactoryTourE.asp

Also, I did not buy a Lexus, when I got a higher end Toyota, and did not spend the money for the perceived level of quality in a Lexus. And they use the same parts and are built on the same assembly line. So except for styling, these vehicles are similar. I assume Toyota is an honest company; I would hope that they would give you your moneys worth, but hijinks will ensue and easy substitutions may occur (FWIW my wife likes Toyotas; I love Audis). This is the same setup in the Fender line, but with two different lines of assembly.

As an example of Fender's pulling parts out of the bins, look at the bridge serial numbers. They are random; there is no order because they simply pull a bridge off the top of the bin. It may have a higher number at the top and a lower number at the bottom. The only new part is the neck, which are made in the USA, the most important part of the guitar. The bodies are also made here in the USA, but that is subject to change. I have American parts on my guitar; Fender Ping tuners are as american as apple pie. But they are parts they have progressed from, e.g., Gotoh, Schallers, Kluson. And yes these parts are more expensive than the Pings (love their golf Clubs), as they are imported. They all work. I can't speak for the pickups, another important part, as they are absolutely shrouded in secrecy as to their origin, date or place of manufacture. But the hijinks will ensue.

Maybe Fender is allowing more production in Mexico, because the quality is excellent, and the results sublime. Better? I can't say, similar is all I can determine. Your ability to sell a guitar is difficult because the world economy blows, so keep your beloved guitars longer and you will get a better price. I'll keep mine under my bed for a future treasure hunter, hopefully my son or grandson.


Sorry to say, but your link is way out of date (2000)... and not correct now. No longer does Fender Corona make poplar veneered bodies...nor do they make the MIM guitar bodies. In 2003, the necks were still rough made in the USA and finished in Mexico, but at that time Mexico already had the capability to make their own necks as well - I don't know if they do that now as well, but MIM necks are quite different to MIA necks in the finishing of the hole around the truss rod, so mayne they do now.

The bottom line is that MIM guitars are good guitars, but MIAs are better and cost more.

For me, that extra cost is well worthwhile. :wink:


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Posted: Fri May 01, 2009 2:58 pm
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This thread is still going!?! WOW

USA all the way.

MIM guys, aren't you glad that Fender has moved the hated "Made in Mexico" sticker to the back of the headstock.

Yes they are good guitars
Yes the electronics in the MIA guitars are better
Yes you can hear the difference (play both clean through a good amp and you will notice the subtleties)

All that being said there ain't nothing wrong with the MIM instruments, they're just aimed at a lower price point. (Guys who bought Squiers will defend them too.)

If the MIM's were equal to the instruments Fender turns out in Corona, there would be no point in having a US plant now would there.

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I have a mexican made, and love it. It has the sweetest sound and looks incredible.


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mthorn00 wrote:
MIM guys, aren't you glad that Fender has moved the hated "Made in Mexico" sticker to the back of the headstock.

I think they had no choice on the 2008 run. The 2008 MIM's are so good, they just couldn't do it! This MIM plays like the real deal tele.

I put it down for a few days to see if the magic would start all over again on a fresh play. The magic just keeps getting better.

If you ask me, the 2008 MIM is probably one of the best playing and sounding teles on Earth, today, hand's down!

The US crew is probably cringing over this run. "Impossible!". ha. no.


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Clearly, you haven't played a 2008 USA Tele... :wink:

They raised the bar significantly... 8)


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AjayTele wrote:
Clearly, you haven't played a 2008 USA Tele... :wink:

They raised the bar significantly... 8)


This is true!

...n', if it's that good on the USA models for 2008, hfs! I mean...I'm literally just creamin' over this 2008 MIM. HOW MUCH BETTER DOES IT GET?????? Is it possible? I mean, anything better than this and I'd be reduced to dragging the thing wherever I go for fear of somebody so much as even touching it. ha!

I'm still debating over my next fender purchase...Tele Deluxe (need a 3 pickup twanger, that or a strat). Which tele design does the 3 pickup trick well and would compliment the MIM standard?


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Posted: Mon May 04, 2009 3:39 pm
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RCBGotTeleToo wrote:
This is true!

...n', if it's that good on the USA models for 2008, hfs! I mean...I'm literally just creamin' over this 2008 MIM. HOW MUCH BETTER DOES IT GET?????? Is it possible? I mean, anything better than this and I'd be reduced to dragging the thing wherever I go for fear of somebody so much as even touching it. ha!

I'm still debating over my next fender purchase...Tele Deluxe (need a 3 pickup twanger, that or a strat). Which tele design does the 3 pickup trick well and would compliment the MIM standard?


It does get better, but I think the differences are not enormous. Same for Custom Shop guitars, they look like normal production guitars, but they just have that "something extra" about them which makes them slightly better than standards. Until you try or own one, it's hard to understand fully, I never used to rate Custom Shops, but I do now that I own a few.

There are many options for three pickup Teles. If you want a new guitar, the MIM Nashville Deluxe is a great option. If you are prepared to buy a used guitar, then the 1997 Tele Plus or 1998 Tele Deluxe is the pick of the bunch. These were both three pickup models. There are also mid 90s Japanese Deluxe Teles which are three pickups and one of those is my all time favourite playing guitar. :wink:


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AjayTele wrote:

There are many options for three pickup Teles. If you want a new guitar, the MIM Nashville Deluxe is a great option. If you are prepared to buy a used guitar, then the 1997 Tele Plus or 1998 Tele Deluxe is the pick of the bunch. These were both three pickup models. There are also mid 90s Japanese Deluxe Teles which are three pickups and one of those is my all time favourite playing guitar. :wink:

I'm heavily pondering returning the MIM Standard and getting the MIM Nashville Deluxe instead, maybe an American Standard. What's the difference in sound between the neck and bridge of the MIM Nashville Deluxe and the MIM standard?

Also, choices choices choices. ...Swamp Ash or Alder? Rosewood or maple neck??? I luv the maple neck, like the sunburst but it's only available in alder, not too crazy about the blonde finish on the swamp ash. Which is lighter???

I'm concerned about losing this particular MIM cuz it's so good, I'd hate to send it back and find out it is better than the deluxe and American Standard.

decision, decisions, ...decisions.

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Posted: Wed May 06, 2009 6:45 pm
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For some unknown reason, three pickup Teles seem to have rosewood necks more often than not. Personally, I don't have a preference for either, so it's not concern for me.

Usually, the Nashville Deluxes have Tex Mex pickups I think, so they should be slightly "better" than the MIM standard ones. But again, you should check with the dealer for your specific guitar's specs.

I really like my most recent Nashville Tele. It's a sunburst and looks great. Medium wieght from memory. I don't know what the body material is.

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Here's the 90s MIJ Deluxe for comparison...
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And the 1997 Tele Plus...
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As you say, choices...choices... :wink:


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Fender mexico have made bodies and necks for a few years now. All strings come from mexico too. Personally i love mexican fenders i own 2 a strat and a baja tele. To say that they compare to american instruments is not strictly true. They compare in the fact that they are high quality and have good finish's. I've been buying guitars for a couple of decades now and know what to expect. With fender mexico guitars i do not expect the same kind of quality to final finished product that you get with an american instrument. The whole business regime is designed that way. Mexico will let more flaws pass than corona will, squire will let more flaws pass than mexico will. Its simple business. When i look at mexican guitars i pretty much dont bother with how they play. It can always be improved on in my experience. Nut slots not deep enough and poor fret levels are the 2 current mistakes prevalent on them. I wont accept that on an american made guitar. Thats why their double the money.
The fretwork on my baja tele was truly horrible. So much so that i devised a new fret level/neck relief method where the relief is set into the frets whilst the neck remains straight. Also the fit of the guitar leaves a bit to be The pickup route shows on the bottom edge of the bridge. I inspected it closer and the whole route is too big, or the bridge is too narrow. The bridge isnt set parallel to the string path either.
Does it bother me? no not that much for £380. Esp cant do better for £800. The guitar looks and sounds great although it weighs a tonne it plays great now too. To be generous i'd say it took me a day all told to get the thing playing right. So add a daily work rate of £200 to the price brings it to £580. Its still a bargain even considering the agro to get the thing playing right.

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Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 1:18 am
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The Mexican's are made in Mexico by Mexicans
The USA's are made in California by Mexicans - w/ different hardware and grounding too... Mexicans made in Mexico by Mexicans aren't grounded...
That is all... There are no miracles in gear. Personally I think that you get what you pay for and w/ time and playing you see both guitars are quite different.

Bottom line: If you keep your USA fender you'll get a valued piece of wood. If you keep your Mexican one you'll end up selling it for 100$.


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I own both...MIM Standard Tele and MIA Tele...love them both..I could care less about where they were made...it says Fender on the headstock...it sounds great to me and I love them both...who cares just play...enough of the I know so much bs that people love to throw around...after all it is about the joy of playing :D


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airbornestrat wrote:
...after all it is about the joy of playing :D


:roll:

Nope there's more to owning and appreciating guitars than just playing them... :D

...well, as least for some people, there is. :wink:


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You see Ajay...that is the great thing...your opinion and preference...and mine is the joy of playing.. :P


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