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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2009 1:50 pm
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I'll toss in an "Aye" for my Mexico-made Strat.

I bought one with a sunburst finish - sight unseen, over the Net because of the price - last Spring/Summer.

My only comment has to do with setup: I had to raise the polepieces on the top pickup. Before I raised the polepieces, I got very little gain from the High E and B strings. I also raised the polepieces under the D and A strings.

Since then, I have played American Strats ranging in price from $1,000 to $2,500, and though I'd love to own a couple of the more expensive models, I cannot say honestly that my Mexican Strat lacks much beyond the status symbol factor of owning a high-end American.

All-in-all, I am very impressed and happy with that guitar.


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I own a MIM white Tele with maple neck and I love that guitar,,,of course the MIA suppose to be better,,,well there is 600.00$ difference and more,,,I'm a keyboard player,,I use Yamaha and Roland,,,The MIM is enough for me,,,but I remember I bought an MIA Strat,,,Antigua color,,,brand new,,,,WHAT A PIECE OF $@!&,,,,never stay tune,,,intonation job every 3 weeks,,,bring back the guitar to the store 4 or 5 times to get fix,,,finally they send back to Fender,,,,Fender said,,,nothing wrong with the guitar,,,just need adjustement and they do it,,,bring back again to the store after 2 weeks,,,intonation was OFF again,,,so they decide to give me back my money,,,,they said ,,,really something wrong with the guitar,,,still have the MIM tele with no problem,,,no luck for me with the MIA.

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Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2009 4:02 pm
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My wife bought me a MIM Std.tele for x-mas. Nice looking guitar...plays really well...I believe UPS dropped off my Texas Specials today....lol They're not perfect, but neither am I. Even if I am MIA!

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in my experiences with the guitars i have found that the mexican and usa telecasters play very much the same. USA strats ten to play better but for telecasters its up to the player to choose. The same parts are used in both kinds, its just that one is assembled in the US and the other isnt. It might be in your best interest to go with the cheaper one, the mexican tele


I don't know why people keep saying that the same parts are used in both MIA and MIM - they aren't. :roll:


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Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2009 12:31 pm
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Mine is MIJ and I love it! I bought it used and it's all worn in, just enough if you know what I mean. I tried both US and Mex in the shop and they were nice too, but more dosh and not right for me. You gotta play 'em and decide which is right for you, it don't really matter were it's made.

They're all GREAT!!


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I play a mexican tele and I like it just fine, however I haven't played a american tele yet though. I think it just depends on the person though.


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The mexican guitars tend to have NOS (new old stock) parts and still sound good. The MIA's tend to have newer parts and binding. If you are a player, save your money and go mexican. The quality of the parts are the same. The finishes are comparable.

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 2:31 pm
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qblue wrote:
The mexican guitars tend to have NOS (new old stock) parts and still sound good. The MIA's tend to have newer parts and binding. If you are a player, save your money and go mexican. The quality of the parts are the same. The finishes are comparable.


You need to go and have a good close look at a MIA tele...then you may actually understand the errors in your statement above. :roll:

No matter how many times you MIM lovers affirm that MIM teles are good guitars (and they ARE, that is not in dispute), the fact remains that they are NOT as high quality in componentary or finish as MIA Teles. No amount of saying they are will change that... :shock:


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AjayTele wrote:
qblue wrote:
The mexican guitars tend to have NOS (new old stock) parts and still sound good. The MIA's tend to have newer parts and binding. If you are a player, save your money and go mexican. The quality of the parts are the same. The finishes are comparable.


You need to go and have a good close look at a MIA tele...then you may actually understand the errors in your statement above. :roll:

No matter how many times you MIM lovers affirm that MIM teles are good guitars (and they ARE, that is not in dispute), the fact remains that they are NOT as high quality in componentary or finish as MIA Teles. No amount of saying they are will change that... :shock:


I have to agree!


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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 4:54 pm
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AjayTele wrote:
qblue wrote:
The mexican guitars tend to have NOS (new old stock) parts and still sound good. The MIA's tend to have newer parts and binding. If you are a player, save your money and go mexican. The quality of the parts are the same. The finishes are comparable.


You need to go and have a good close look at a MIA tele...then you may actually understand the errors in your statement above. :roll:

No matter how many times you MIM lovers affirm that MIM teles are good guitars (and they ARE, that is not in dispute), the fact remains that they are NOT as high quality in componentary or finish as MIA Teles. No amount of saying they are will change that... :shock:


So you are agreeing with me?

I played these MIA and MIM guitars side by side and I didn't notice a significant increase in quality for the price. I promptly bought a Baja Classic Player, and haven't had one shred of regret. Now with the price increase I have less regrets. The MIA is the same guitar, with a good makeup job, mostly cosmetic. There are surely some pickups from Fender, which may be better, e.g., noiseless for instance. The pickups I have are 'Old School', not very noisy, and I am totally satisfied. They are not necessarily better! It's my idiosyncrasy vs. yours.

Its like a woman; most look better with makeup, but the soul of the woman counts for more to me, especially if I'm to have a long term relationship. But then again, no two women or guitars are alike.

Fender loves people like you, because you think are getting 'more value'. To FMIC it's just another product with some changes. You will get all the "value" out of your MIA guitars, when you sell them, and it's my opinion this is the reason why you are the most consistent blogger on this subject. You just don't love your guitar like I do. I can only play one guitar at a time; I'm not a collector, but I'll love my guitar till I'm dead. Maybe I'll have it buried with me. Good luck to you.

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Read my "I know your not going to believe this" thread I just posted here on the Tele pages

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2009 5:23 pm
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qblue wrote:
So you are agreeing with me?

I played these MIA and MIM guitars side by side and I didn't notice a significant increase in quality for the price. I promptly bought a Baja Classic Player, and haven't had one shred of regret. Now with the price increase I have less regrets. The MIA is the same guitar, with a good makeup job, mostly cosmetic. There are surely some pickups from Fender, which may be better, e.g., noiseless for instance. The pickups I have are 'Old School', not very noisy, and I am totally satisfied. They are not necessarily better! It's my idiosyncrasy vs. yours.

Its like a woman; most look better with makeup, but the soul of the woman counts for more to me, especially if I'm to have a long term relationship. But then again, no two women or guitars are alike.

Fender loves people like you, because you think are getting 'more value'. To FMIC it's just another product with some changes. You will get all the "value" out of your MIA guitars, when you sell them, and it's my opinion this is the reason why you are the most consistent blogger on this subject. You just don't love your guitar like I do. I can only play one guitar at a time; I'm not a collector, but I'll love my guitar till I'm dead. Maybe I'll have it buried with me. Good luck to you.


No, I am not agreeing with you and I only continue to respond because you continue to make erroneous statements about MIM contruction and assert them as fact.... :roll:

And of course a Baja Classic Player isn't a standard MIM guitar... it's an upscale MIM, with a greatly reduced price difference when compared to a MIA USA Std guitar. So that also (naturally) narrows the gap in quality... which is of course why people buy MIA guitars as well :wink:

Hey, you're welcome to love your guitar, just as much as anyone is - be they a collector or otherwise (and I'm not sure what relevance being a collector or not has on loving your guitars) - but for heaven's sake: why keep asserting that MIM guitars in general are the same materials and componentary as MIA guitars? It's just not so.

Why not just accept that a cheaper guitar is in fact a cheaper guitar? :lol:

There nothing wrong with that or course and yes, I own several MIM Telecasters and love them as well. :wink:


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AjayTele wrote:
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So you are agreeing with me?

I played these MIA and MIM guitars side by side and I didn't notice a significant increase in quality for the price. I promptly bought a Baja Classic Player, and haven't had one shred of regret. Now with the price increase I have less regrets. The MIA is the same guitar, with a good makeup job, mostly cosmetic. There are surely some pickups from Fender, which may be better, e.g., noiseless for instance. The pickups I have are 'Old School', not very noisy, and I am totally satisfied. They are not necessarily better! It's my idiosyncrasy vs. yours.

Its like a woman; most look better with makeup, but the soul of the woman counts for more to me, especially if I'm to have a long term relationship. But then again, no two women or guitars are alike.

Fender loves people like you, because you think are getting 'more value'. To FMIC it's just another product with some changes. You will get all the "value" out of your MIA guitars, when you sell them, and it's my opinion this is the reason why you are the most consistent blogger on this subject. You just don't love your guitar like I do. I can only play one guitar at a time; I'm not a collector, but I'll love my guitar till I'm dead. Maybe I'll have it buried with me. Good luck to you.


No, I am not agreeing with you and I only continue to respond because you continue to make erroneous statements about MIM contruction and assert them as fact.... :roll:

And of course a Baja Classic Player isn't a standard MIM guitar... it's an upscale MIM, with a greatly reduced price difference when compared to a MIA USA Std guitar. So that also (naturally) narrows the gap in quality... which is of course why people buy MIA guitars as well :wink:

Hey, you're welcome to love your guitar, just as much as anyone is - be they a collector or otherwise (and I'm not sure what relevance being a collector or not has on loving your guitars) - but for heaven's sake: why keep asserting that MIM guitars in general are the same materials and componentary as MIA guitars? It's just not so.

Why not just accept that a cheaper guitar is in fact a cheaper guitar? :lol:

There nothing wrong with that or course and yes, I own several MIM Telecasters and love them as well. :wink:


The difference between a collector and a 'one-guitar' man, is that a collector will sell a guitar to get a more desirable model or money, without thinking about the pain a 'one-guitar' man would have. If price was a factor then the collector thinks he has a 'better' guitar; the 'one-guitar' man would only love his guitar more!

I never said the guitars are made of the same materials. I did say the differences were cosmetic. A MIM will have NOS parts, which worked on guitars say made in the '50's. The MIA's will have the latest and greatest parts, including binding and noiseless pickups. If you are able to hear all the differences b/t the two, then an MIA is your choice. I did not hear enough of a difference to make that choice. I'll admit I'm cheap, and the MIM was a better fit for me. However, I did enjoy the MIA guitars, except for the Hwy 1 which sounded horrible. The Baja did not disappoint, and sounded better or as good as the MIAs and CHEAPER. This is a serious option for some of us. For you an expensive guitar is an expensive guitar. Sorry for my opinion.

Here's another opinion :idea:: except for custom shop and artist models all the Fender guitars are just mass-produced pieces. This includes both MIM and MIA guitars and are pretty much the SAME. So with this theory I tried to get the most bang-for-the buck in mass-produced guitars, produced with parts that may be of any age, except for the necks. I actually think that Fender and Gibson think this way, and if parts begin to experience an overflow, they will make a limited run to use them up; a limited run will bring more $ per unit produced, and they really did not spend an extra dime to mass-produce them.

If I didn't love my Baja so much I would get a CV Squier Tele.

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qblue wrote:
The difference between a collector and a 'one-guitar' man, is that a collector will sell a guitar to get a more desirable model or money, without thinking about the pain a 'one-guitar' man would have. If price was a factor then the collector thinks he has a 'better' guitar; the 'one-guitar' man would only love his guitar more!

I never said the guitars are made of the same materials. I did say the differences were cosmetic. A MIM will have NOS parts, which worked on guitars say made in the '50's. The MIA's will have the latest and greatest parts, including binding and noiseless pickups. If you are able to hear all the differences b/t the two, then an MIA is your choice. I did not hear enough of a difference to make that choice. I'll admit I'm cheap, and the MIM was a better fit for me. However, I did enjoy the MIA guitars, except for the Hwy 1 which sounded horrible. The Baja did not disappoint, and sounded better or as good as the MIAs and CHEAPER. This is a serious option for some of us. For you an expensive guitar is an expensive guitar. Sorry for my opinion.

Here's another opinion :idea:: except for custom shop and artist models all the Fender guitars are just mass-produced pieces. This includes both MIM and MIA guitars and are pretty much the SAME. So with this theory I tried to get the most bang-for-the buck in mass-produced guitars, produced with parts that may be of any age, except for the necks. I actually think that Fender and Gibson think this way, and if parts begin to experience an overflow, they will make a limited run to use them up; a limited run will bring more $ per unit produced, and they really did not spend an extra dime to mass-produce them.

If I didn't love my Baja so much I would get a CV Squier Tele.


With the greatest of respect, I would note that your preconception about collectors is part of the problem here. Speaking as a collector, I would contend that the opposite is true - a one guitar man will often happily upgrade or change his guitar to suit whatever style of music he needs to play at any given time. Just because someone is a "collector" does not mean they have any LESS love for each and any guitar they own, indeed in some instances they will be far MORE passionate about their guitars - that's why they collect! FWIW, I struggle to sell ANY guitars, even when I have deliberately bought them to resell, be they MIM, MIJ or MIA. :shock:

I also don't know how you can assert that you "have NEVER never said the guitars are made of the same materials". I'll quote you from earlier in this thread: "The truth is that the parts are preselected in Corona, CA and shipped to Mexico for assembly". :?:

Yes, there are SOME components used on SOME MIM guitars (specifically the more expensive versions) which originate outside Mexico. E.g. Kluson vintage tuners when they are required. However body, neck and pickups are ususally made in Mexico on MIM guitars. To me, those three major components are the real guts of the guitar and even though both MIA and MIM are mass produced, there are still clearly noticeable (and tangible) quality differences in the quality and performance of those three items. These differences are small, but exist and are part of the reason MIA guitars do indeed cost more then MIM guitars.

An analogy I would use is that comparing MIA to MIM guitars is a bit like buying a Lexus instead of a Toyota really...very similar, but fundamentally different in quality. :wink:

But of course a lot of people are perfectly happy with their Toyotas and they are good, reliable cars. :D


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The Mexico facility is a state of the art production plant.
no less than the USA plant

The Workers are highly skilled and trained.
no less than the USA plant

They use the same woods, maple, ash ect........
no less than the USA plant

I've held in my own hands new USA guitars with finish blems
no less than the Mexico plant

Personaly I would like to see a Mexico plant custom shop, put their best guys in a seperate building and let them show us their best.

I will only admit that the electronics can be a bit on the cheap side and I like the extra fret on my neck that for whatever reason the MIM's don't have.

however my latest MIM puts many of the USA guitars I've owned to shame.

I have to take my hat off to the MIM workers on this one, every one who sees and plays it is amazed, yes its that nice !!!!!

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