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Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2008 1:50 pm
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I don't like the frets on the American Std or Deluxe :( , So for an American Tele I would go the the AV series.

I cant see spending over a grand on a guitar, then spend 300 more to re-fret it :shock: . I went through that on my Hwy1 Tele last year.

I have 2 MIM Teles a 94 Std and a 07 Baja. Those are my main gigging Teles. For recording or special occasions I'll use my 89 MIJ Tele :D


Yo Guido, did you play it before you bought it?

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i think that the difference might be more in the finish. I don't know why pots 200 miles from Corona work different? or magnets? or tuners? is the copper in mexico less.... coppery? :D maybe it all smells like taco?
buy what you can afford and play it loud. if you think you might change your mind buy an mia instrument and you can resell it.


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I finally purchased my first Tele a little over a year ago, MIM Deluxe Blackout. Yes I tried MIA's, new, used, pre and post CBS etc. I purchased it for several variant reasons. Always wanted a Tele, played and sounded exactly how I wanted. I really dug the look. And it was less than a grand. My only impedance was a sense of trepidation regarding the stigma of being criticized by peers simply because of origin of manufacture. I may as well of purchased a Squire! My point is it seems if you are not in the MIA clique you are viewed as a substandard musician. Regardless of how much you enjoy your instrument, or how well you perform with it, dare I say how well you write or what you produce with it there will always be negative opposition from narrow "brand minded" elitists. Frankly this is directly comparable to "no such thing as an American sports car" if you reside in Europe. The Corvette being the example is now a world beater at a FRACTION of international pricing. Lest you boast "MIA I told you so" The power plant for the American world beater is MIC!

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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2008 4:33 pm
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i had an hwy1 fitted with texas specials and it ripped, standard pickups crap, finnish not great; dents and chips easy, i also had a strat deluxe usa which i also sold , neck to thin and pickups not that great.
i now have a mim baja tele, which is the best tele ever, sounds better then a usa standard which i was going to buy until i ab,d them, the baja has more sounds and nicer timber; ash body , i also have a deluxe roadhouse strat, mim which is the best sounding strat i have ever owned. the standard mim guitars are ok but lack in the hardware an pickup department compared to usa models, checkout all the special mex ones though as these sound better than the usa models for less money; blackout tele, nashville tele , baja tele, all these teles will sound better then an american tele


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i think that the difference might be more in the finish. I don't know why pots 200 miles from Corona work different? or magnets? or tuners? is the copper in mexico less.... coppery? :D maybe it all smells like taco?
buy what you can afford and play it loud. if you think you might change your mind buy an mia instrument and you can resell it.


The pots are actually different on the MIM and MIA's. The ones in the MIM"s aren't made to the same specs (done by Fender to help keep costs down, and ensure the difference between the MIM's and the MIA's). The copper wire used is a lesser gauge as is the shielding on the wire (again, done intentionally to keep costs down, and ensure the difference between the MIM's and the MIA's).

Can your ear tell the difference? Sometimes, especially if you're playing "clean". Run your signal through a bunch of boxes and the difference is harder to tell.

In short, Fender intentionally uses the best hardware, pots, wire, etc in the MIA instruments. Lower grade components go into the MIM's and CII instruments. Not to say that the components used "offshore" are bad, they just aren't up to the same level of quality of those used in the MIA's.

If the components were the same (especially with the great finishes on the MIM's) what would be the point of having a US Fender plant?

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Hi allstar -- Welcome to the Forums. I love my Hwy1 Tele though the MIM Deluxe models are good, too.


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For under $1000. I was able to pick up this wonderful pair of Mexicans and still had change left over for some Coronas.

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For under $1000. I was able to pick up this wonderful pair of Mexicans and still had change left over for some Coronas.

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Cool guitar -- but I'd have gone for the Pacifico :)

On a serious note, I have a Hwy 1 Tele, 2 MIM Thinlines and one CIJ Thinline. Craftsmanship on the Hwy 1 and CIJ definitely better but nothing that really affects playability. MIMs are find and you do save money for other things.

For long term value (say in a resale) or an axe that will last 50 years, okay, maybe the MIA beats an MIM. But for practical, everyday, hands on use and typical gigging situations, those factors don't matter. I'd sure rather see someone run out the door of a bar with my $500 MIM Tele than a $1,200 MIA version!


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I always upset alot of people when I say this but I think all MIM's are trash. That's just my personal opinion. I kindly respect the fact that everyone is entitled to their own tastes but I don't like MIM's. In my experiences, any Fender that wasn't MIA that I have played has been either sub standard or average at best. Wiring and materals(i.e. wood and fret details) are always better on MIA's. For the most part, almost all MIA's I have played were awesome. In my opinion you get what you pay for. If you are going to pay $400 for a guitar, expect a budget guitar with stripped down features and quality. That's what MIM's and MIJ's are, budget guitars meant to accomodate the people who either don't have the funds or just don't want to pay that much. I've owned 2 MIM's(1 Strat and 1 Cyclone, the Cyclone being the worst of the 2). Sure, you can turn a MIM into a good guitar if you want to spend money on a new bridge,tuners, PU's and maybe even a new neck.

You will get people who swear by MIM's or who swear by MIA's, it's really all about preference. But I really cannot understand why anyone would think a MIM is superior to the MIA. The construction, detail, quality, parts, wiring are all far superior on MIA's...again my opinion.


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Red_Scare wrote:
I always upset alot of people when I say this but I think all MIM's are trash....

You will get people who swear by MIM's or who swear by MIA's, it's really all about preference. But I really cannot understand why anyone would think a MIM is superior to the MIA. The construction, detail, quality, parts, wiring are all far superior on MIA's...again my opinion.


I'm not upset, but I think "trash" may be a bit harsh. In regards to the MIM, I've been happily impressed (and pleased) with the cost to performance I get out of them. Now having said that, I agree that the MIA Fenders are really nice and sport better components. It's nice to know that Fender can make a lower cost guitar that can sill stay in tune and still inspire me to play. My old $200. Ibanez couldn't do that (talk about trash).


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I agree that it all comes down to prefference. I've played alot of MIM and MIA Fenders, and I currently own a MIA Deluxe Tele, MIM Std Strat and a MIM 50's Strat. It took me a long time to find the high end MIA Tele that I would get to replace my MIM Std Tele. I played lots of Teles; Highway 1, MIA Std and MIA Deluxe, then one shining day I found a like new/used Deluxe Ash Tele, fell in love and took it home. It wasn't anything to do with quality in any way, it was all about how it played and sounded...to ME.

If the day comes that I find a MIA Strat that trumps my current Strat situation I'll be jumping on it too.

I work with a guy(pro player) who is part time at the shop I work at, and he is currently gigging a Squier Classic Vibe Tele. He put a 'lil 59 in the bridge and let 'er rip. His main Strat is a Classic 50's(MIM) with Lace Sensors. The guy is an awesome player, and anyone who thought it neccessary to cut him on the gear he uses would have to be a total idiot.

I've talked to many people who say; "If it isn't a MIA, it's bunk". That is there opinion, and they are welcome to it. But my opinion on that opinion is that it sounds a bit lame and unexperienced. Now, I'm not saying that MIA instruments aren't superior in many respects, but being superior doesn't mean that the MIMs are bunk. Nor does it mean that the MIA or MIM would be the right guitar for every person, regardless of affordablility. I'm not at all limitted to my MIM Strats, I could have MIAs and I may someday if the right ones come along.

I'm the kind of guy who is able to play a low cost guitar with pride, as long as it sounds good and plays good to ME. It is alot of fun to listen to a customer tell me how crappy the Affinity Squiers are, and then I plug one in and go to town on it and watch them eat there words...after they pull there foot out of ther mouth of course.


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i like them both the tone on my am sta tele is great ,i also have a MIM esquire and a korean blackout tele being my least favorite,alot of the price difference is not in materials or quality its the fact that it cost more to produce the same guitar in socal than it does in mex.i have taken the tour and i dont look at peoples ethinic background so much as the job their doing and the proffessionism maintained by the staff .ive never encountered anyone from fender that doesnt show a great deal of persoal pride in their products


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Ok, here is my take on this. I have a MIM Telecaster and an MIM Stratocaster. Both look and feel like quality instruments. I gig professionally with both. Our lead guitar player has fallen on hard times and currently is gigging a Squier Affinity Strat. I can honestly tell you that the Squier is definately miles below my MIM models. However, in his hands, the Squier sounds like Clapton playing Blackie. He sprung (reluctantly) for a Fender Blues Jr. amp and it makes that Squier sound awesome. My MIMs sound fantastic through my Super Champ XD and I play them more than my Gibson Les Paul!! MIA snobbery is really a bummer because although I plan on getting one soon (a Tele and they actually cost less than my Les Paul did) I am very very happy with my MIM models. It's all in how they sound to you and the MIM models sound excellent (band members think so too!). To say the MIM models are trash is a lot of baloney.


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chucksolo69 wrote:
To say the MIM models are trash is a lot of baloney.


The custom shop agree with you. they put their logo on 3 of em. I'm not aware of any corona production guitar they have done that for. I dont think MIM are better than MIA but as i've said before i dont see £800 difference between my baja and 57HR


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look guys mim teles and stratts r not rubbish! , i had the cash to buy a 2008 am std tele but walked out of the store with a baja tele, mim instead!
why u ask ,,, the baja sounds better , has more tonal options ,, is made of ash, has a nicer finish,, mine has birds eye on the necck which is also finished better then the usa tele, and its when u put it through a real amp that u really notice the diference, dont get me wrong the usa tele played nice looked good but sounded too country for my tastes, i have 2 amps , a superchamp xd which is just amazing and a tiny terror + orange 1x12 cab with a celestion vinage 30. now when u plug the baja tele into the tiny terror with volume at 2 oclock and the gain at 1 oclock, this is the ultimate in guitar tone! it just doesnt get any better then this, i also own a mim roadhouse strat with texas specials which gives me a simmilar expierience! :roll:


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