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i would never say the MIA'S are superior over MIM'S superior is way to strong a word to use. MIM'S the past 3 years are just as good craftmanship
and quality is brilliant. so no the MIA'S are not superior over the MIM'S


I think I would probably use the word superior when comparing MIA vs. MIM... :D


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Bottom line, the MIM models exist to enable Fender to compete in a highly competitive, price-sensitive retail environment. That Fender can offer MIM models approaching MIA quality for half of the street price of a "real" MIA version is quite a feat of engineering and marketing. Not many manufacturers can pull this off without causing some irreparable harm to the "prestige" and image of its iconic U.S. brand name.


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... That Fender can offer MIM models approaching MIA quality for half of the street price of a "real" MIA version is quite a feat of engineering and marketing. Not many manufacturers can pull this off without causing some irreparable harm to the "prestige" and image of its iconic U.S. brand name.

I agree. Fender has done very well to gurantee a high-quality product when it says "Fender ____caster" on the headstock regardless of the manufacturing site.

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To me it all comes down to playing a lot of guitars ,you can play 5 tele's and they all feel different and they are the exact same model. I've never bought a new guitar that feels perfect for me off the show room floor, i always have to take it home and set it up myself. some of these stores don't do the MIA guitars any Justis they just throw them out there with no set up.
I have played some really poor feeling of both mia and mim but i can usually tell if i can make them right. but rest assured MIA quality is more consistant. IMO. I own both American and mexican fenders and they are both great


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WCRefLib wrote:
Bottom line, the MIM models exist to enable Fender compete in a highly competitive, price-sensitive retail environment. That Fender can offer MIM models approaching MIA quality for half of the street price of a "real" MIA version is quite a feat of engineering and marketing. Not many manufacturers can pull this off without causing some irreparable harm to the "prestige" and image of its iconic U.S. brand name.


It certainly is very understandable that Fender needs to have a lower priced product and indeed their Korean products will probably rival the MIMs very shortly for value for money vs. quality (if they aren't already :roll: ).

But it is inevitable that creating the lower priced products DOES cause some irreparable damage to the prestige of the USA made products, as this discussion has arisen exactly because of that fact. Clearly a lot of participants in this discussion DON'T view the MIA products with the same respect as they used to. :wink:

To a certain extent, the arguement should really be reversed - to me it's pretty amazing that the MIA's can be made as cheaply as they are (given the fatc that they also include slightly better materials and componentary), given the wide difference in the costs of labour and overheads between Mexico and Southern California. 8)

I guess that's the way I view the comparison of MIA and MIM. For me, I appreciate the little extra things that the MIA has over the MIM: the slightly more consistent quality control (I have a Muddy Waters MIM which has a pickguard that is just made wrong), the nicer neck on the Std Tele, the really nice ash bodies that Fender USA is producing now, the higher quality tuners, the new bridge, the excellent hard case etc etc....

For me, those little things, coupled with the fact that a MIA Tele is still "the real thing" as far as Teles go, mean that the extra cost is very easy to justify. :D


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Bottom line, for me anyway. MIM's are great instruments, MIA instruments are fantastic. And worth every penny, I've owned both. I like to think I know what I'm talking about, then again :roll: :lol:


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to me a proper set up s more important than if the fender is MIM or MIA .i own both , and even though the MIMs ussually need more adjustment and dont stay i tune as well as my MIAs the tone and playablity are as good . one thing that did happen to my MIM strat is i got some neck shinkage . i live in the desert and it can get dry but none of my other guitars has had this happen .


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Editted by myself. The point is....well futile. I'm shutting up and playin' my guitar!

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Well, thanks for that. :shock:

Fortunately it seems a hellava lot of people love discussing their guitars, along with playing them. That's why we're here on this forum isn't it? :wink:

And of course for some of us there are a lot more points of interest in guitars than just the physical process of playing them. 8)

So at the end of the day telling people to "shut up and play ya guitar" is pretty futile isn't it? :roll:


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It is futile only because you persist to have the last word (and you will respond, won't you?). I think its a buyer's market out there, and all your hyperbole will not shore up prices on used equipment of any origin; I do think the Fender across-the-board price increase will help. 8)

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All other arguments and justifications aside, the MIM's are built to come in at a lower price point so that Fender can sell more guitars.

The MIM's are like Crate amps . . . what your parents buy you when they don't love you enough to buy you a Fender or a Marshall amp.

The MIM's are like the High School GED . . . Good Enough Diploma. Made in Mexico (Good Enough Guitar).

The MIM's are like dating a fat girl, (better than not dating) . . . At least it says Fender on the headstock (and on the new ones they even moved "Hecho en Mexico" to the backside so no one can see it!)


Okay enough gnashing of teeth. I'm kiddng.

As I've said in earlier posts on this thread, the MIM's are very fine instruments. They just aren't quite as "nice" as the MIA guitars. Think about it, if Fender used the exact same components in each factory there would be no point in having a US plant. So yes the Corona plant uses slightyly better materials. Does it really matter? It's a matter of personal choice.

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It is futile only because you persist to have the last word (and you will respond, won't you?). I think its a buyer's market out there, and all your hyperbole will not shore up prices on used equipment of any origin; I do think the Fender across-the-board price increase will help. 8)


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I really don't know where you are getting this 'last word' or 'hyperbole' crap from, nor do I understand where I tried to 'shore up' prices on used equipment. And of course I'll respond to an attack on my character(shouldn't I?) I enjoy discussing these instruments as much as anyone else here, I just wanted to clear some air about the industry, but just as I expected it was twisted and taken as an attack on the very instruments I love. And I guess I should have put the appropriate emotocon at the end of my play yer guitar statement as it was taken as insult aswell. So flame away :roll: . < (correct emotocon).

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M. Brown wrote:
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It is futile only because you persist to have the last word (and you will respond, won't you?). I think its a buyer's market out there, and all your hyperbole will not shore up prices on used equipment of any origin; I do think the Fender across-the-board price increase will help. 8)


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I really don't know where you are getting this 'last word' or 'hyperbole' crap from, nor do I understand where I tried to 'shore up' prices on used equipment. And of course I'll respond to an attack on my character(shouldn't I?) I enjoy discussing these instruments as much as anyone else here, I just wanted to clear some air about the industry, but just as I expected it was twisted and taken as an attack on the very instruments I love. And I guess I should have put the appropriate emotocon at the end of my play yer guitar statement as it was taken as insult aswell. So flame away :roll: . < (correct emotocon).


I think he was actaully attacking me, not you. :roll:

I love people who think love personally denegrading people for "having the last word" in a discussion forum by attempting to have the "last word" themselves... :lol:

The reality is that there is no such thing, a discussion forum is just that - a discussion. The discussion ebbs and flows and of course as new people bring other arguements into the mix, it's just natural to respond to those. :wink:

Back to the subject...

mthorn00 has it nailed in his recent post.


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mthorn00 has it nailed in his recent post.



Wow, Thanks Ajay!

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One thing I do know, is that what I believe is the most beutiful quality a guitar can have is a birdseye maple neck and fingerboard. The only guitar fender has in production with that is the lite ash which is neither american or mexi... I wish fender had more guitars with the birdseye maple :(


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