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Suggest you play a Custom Shop Tele sometime... :wink:

It's like anything, the closer you get to perfection, the smaller the differences... :D


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I perfer Mexicians over U.S because to me the U.S ones are overpriced and also why would I pay that much for something I'm going to mod anyway.


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I perfer Mexicians over U.S because to me the U.S ones are overpriced and also why would I pay that much for something I'm going to mod anyway.


Go back and read this thread. Then you may find out why. :roll:


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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:21 am
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I think the people who concentrate on manufacturing details are just weird. I concentrate on the fun of making music. All the pieces on MIA and MIM guitars WORK. The MIM may use older type parts, but not necessarily inferior, but cheaper.


Yes they all work, but the tuners on the MIA work better than the tuners on the MIM...


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IMHO, MIM and MIA Teles are dead even when it comes to build quality, but not necessarily the quality of tonewoods, pickups and hardware. The MIAs have an edge on the MIMs there. Ultimately, the decision to buy a particular Tele should be based on comfort, playability and tone. If you can't afford the Tele you really want (e.g., '52 or '62 AV RI), wait and save up for it OR buy it used.

Our economy could use a boost if more Americans thought carefully about how how they spend their hard-earned money. Buying American should take precedence over foreign made. U.S. wages need to play catch up with the cost of American made goods which support a decent American middle and working class way of life as many of us knew it. The Mexicans who aspire to play guitar should make enough money to afford the MIMs they produce. Ultimately, there is absolutely no reason for well-trained Mexican workers making so-called "inferior" MIMs with the advanced CNC technology at hand and the extensive U.S.-quality Fender parts catalog to draw from.


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IMHO, MIM and MIA Teles are dead even when it comes to build quality, but not necessarily the quality of tonewoods, pickups and hardware. The MIAs have an edge on the MIMs there. Ultimately, the decision to buy a particular Tele should be based on comfort, playability and tone.


I would contend that the MIM's are still less consistent with build quality than MIAs, but the difference IS small.

The surface finishing of the neck (from 2008 onwards) is now also an area where the MIAs are now clearly different (and in my opinion superior) to the MIMs. In this respect a modified MIM will still not be equal to an MIA in this area and the playability and feel of the neck of a guitar is a pretty fundamental part of playing a guitar. :wink:

The decision factors in buying a Tele are however NOT limited to comfort, playability and tone. For many people there are other factors that come into play, ones that tilt the buying decision towards the MIA. These factors are (but are not limited to); budget, prestige, resale value, quality of manufacture and hardware, patriotism (but not in my case). All of these factors are just as valid as comfort, playability and tone, as they are subjective judgements made by individiuals, based on thier personal preferences and the relative importance they give to each of those factors.

A practical indication of why buying MIA Fenders is still as relevant today as ever. I have recently been selling off a few of my surplus Telecasters on eBay. Mostly they are MIJ or MIM guitars. The question I get asked ALL THE TIME is: "Have you got any USA teles for sale?"

I think you can work out why that is for yourselves.... :wink:


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Same exact thing happened to a bass player I met.

I dunno man, I guess the Mexicans over there know what they're doin'.

I've only played Mexi's, so I can't input much more than that.

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allstar619 wrote:
hey guys, me and my uncle went to guitar center looking to get his new telecaster. we played five brand new telecasters, three mex and two american made. To our suprise the three mexican teles played easier than the americans and even weighed about the same. we decided to go for the mexican mades. whats going on with american mades. lets here what you guys perfer.
I just bought a mexican tele. I love it. before buying I did do some research. pound for pound ther both great. My other guitar is a martin D28


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Resale value is important to consider as well. The first question people ask "is it MIA". It really bugs me. I have never had any issues with MIM guitars, or the MIA either.


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qblue wrote:
I think the people who concentrate on manufacturing details are just weird. I concentrate on the fun of making music. All the pieces on MIA and MIM guitars WORK. The MIM may use older type parts, but not necessarily inferior, but cheaper.


Yes they all work, but the tuners on the MIA work better than the tuners on the MIM...


And so I should pay $400-1000 more for tuners. You are whack! I'm still playing a guitar that stays in tune. I don't blame you for trying to convince me, if I spent too much for a guitar, I would trot out a voodoo doll to convince me my MIM isn't good.

If you want something SO good and for lots more money get a Hahn 228, Valley Arts, or a Glendale or other clones. 'Ain't no tellin' what its worth to you, especially since you guys practically gut the dang guitar, while pretending to like a Fender Tele.

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qblue wrote:
And so I should pay $400-1000 more for tuners. You are whack! I'm still playing a guitar that stays in tune. I don't blame you for trying to convince me, if I spent too much for a guitar, I would trot out a voodoo doll to convince me my MIM isn't good.

If you want something SO good and for lots more money get a Hahn 228, Valley Arts, or a Glendale or other clones. 'Ain't no tellin' what its worth to you, especially since you guys practically gut the dang guitar, while pretending to like a Fender Tele.


Hey, there's no need to start calling people names is there, just because some people have an alternative view to yours? :roll:

As stated previously, there are a lot of differences in the MIA and MIM Std Teles than just tuners and all those little things add up to something very worthwhile for many buyers. Just because you may think that paying extra for a MIA Tele is "too much", doesn't mean that it is actually too much for other buyers. I'm betting that if you suddenly won a major lottery that you view on that would probably change.

The reality out there in the secondhand guitar market is that MIA guitars command MUCH more respect and consequently hold thier value more than MIM guitars. Like it or not, MIM guitars don't have the same prestige as a MIA guitar, no matter how well they may play.

Something that I do find amusing is that the new "Road Worn" MIM teles are not that much cheaper than the MIA Std Teles... I know which one I would rather buy. :wink:


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I hope to never sell my guitars.

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http://www.gibson.com/en%2Dus/Lifestyle ... Interview/

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I couldn't be happier with my USA Tele. I bought it for $650 barely used from a guy that needed cash. I verified that it is all original 100% USA. If you actually shop, you can get a great guitar cheap.

My MexiStrat doesn't stand a chance vs the Tele. I would have to agree that MIMs are a better deal, but I wouldn't trade my USA Tele for a MIM if you gave me all $650 back. Sometimes, the little differences add up. I'll probably never buy another solidbody, none even compare.


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qblue wrote:
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I think the people who concentrate on manufacturing details are just weird. I concentrate on the fun of making music. All the pieces on MIA and MIM guitars WORK. The MIM may use older type parts, but not necessarily inferior, but cheaper.


Yes they all work, but the tuners on the MIA work better than the tuners on the MIM...


And so I should pay $400-1000 more for tuners. You are whack! I'm still playing a guitar that stays in tune. I don't blame you for trying to convince me, if I spent too much for a guitar, I would trot out a voodoo doll to convince me my MIM isn't good.

If you want something SO good and for lots more money get a Hahn 228, Valley Arts, or a Glendale or other clones. 'Ain't no tellin' what its worth to you, especially since you guys practically gut the dang guitar, while pretending to like a Fender Tele.


Oh man, you got me all wrong. I dont own an american anything ;) I dont quit think it's worth it just for the tuners either :). That being said though, some people are just as fascinated by their guitars mechanically as they are fascinated by how they sound. Can't fault some people for "geeking" out can ya?


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i would never say the MIA'S are superior over MIM'S superior is way to strong a word to use. MIM'S the past 3 years are just as good craftmanship
and quality is brilliant. so no the MIA'S are not superior over the MIM'S

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