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Post subject: Tele has a little less bite and more distortion than a Strat
Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 5:10 pm
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The Telecaster is known for having a twanging sound but as compared to a say a Stratocaster it is a little less biting and has more distortion when cranked up especially the way Joe Walsh & Jimmy Page used it.

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Don't forget about what the amp and processing gear can add to the overall picture. :wink:

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Posted: Thu Aug 21, 2008 7:46 pm
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Miami Mike wrote:
Don't forget about what the amp and processing gear can add to the overall picture. :wink:


Even without effects, I've heard the difference because I had a Strat & the guy I played in a band with had a Tele. The Tele is twangy yes, but doesn't quite sound like an electric banjo like a Strat! (laughs). The Tele has twang but more mid than a Strat and when you crank a Tele it gets more distortion than a Strat ever will even if your going straight into the amp without any effects. Just listen to the power of the Tele Joe Walsh had when he played Funk $49 and Walk Away. You can hear the twang but the guitar gets distortion cranked unlike a Strat will. The Strat is on the brighter side while the Tele has a more mid sound with better distortion than a Strat. And that running straight in though a cranked amp without any distortion device or pedals. And back in the 70s they didn't have any gain or master volumes on our amps either. If you wanted distortion but not a fuzz box, you'd literally crank your amp to 10 and the Tele wins hands down over the Strat for straight into the amp distortion. Whereas the Strat sounds more of an electric banjo! :lol:

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Posted: Sat Aug 23, 2008 3:08 pm
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umm... is that why hendrix sounded so awesome with just overdrive? Oh yeah i think he had a fuxxbox a lot of the time. I really don't think it sounds like an electric banjo. What amp is that strat that you're talking about going through? What kind of strat is it and what kind of tele are you talking about? What are the pickups? JUst interested because... i don't know what an electric banjo sounds like... and if it does... then by god i am gettin myself an electric banjo!!

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 8:35 am
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I think I know what he means by the Strat has an 'electric banjo' sound.

I love my Baja Tele which has a fat sound in position 4, nearly as dense as my Gibson humbuckers. The Strat Ultra, which has Lace Sensors, has this metallic dry sound, esp. in the 2 & 4 pickup positions. Listen to Robert Cray(Fender American series Strat) for this unadorned sound. I hate this 'banjo' sound, and I tend not to select those positions when playing the strat.

However, that being said, the Baja Tele can mimic a Strat in the 2 switch position. You can get that clicky metallic sound or 'banjo' sound

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Posted: Mon Aug 25, 2008 7:03 pm
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hendrixfan99 wrote:
umm... is that why hendrix sounded so awesome with just overdrive? Oh yeah i think he had a fuxxbox a lot of the time. I really don't think it sounds like an electric banjo. What amp is that strat that you're talking about going through? What kind of strat is it and what kind of tele are you talking about? What are the pickups? JUst interested because... i don't know what an electric banjo sounds like... and if it does... then by god i am gettin myself an electric banjo!!

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Hendrix used in his chain:

1) A Vox Wah-Wah 846 or Clyde Mc Coy model all depending on the year

2) That went into the Octavia pedal to give him those upper octaves

3) Then that goes into a Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face for the distortion with Marshalls cranked up to 10

4) Then that went into the Univox Univibe which is currently not being made any more.

There are 2 excellent Univibe clones built out there right now that nail the sound becuase they use the same exact circuit to specs that the original Univox Univibe used. 2 of the top ones are (Mike Fuller's) Fulltone Mini Deja Vibe and also the Deja Vibe 2 with an all in one pedal and built in speed controller pedal right on the top of the box. This is the unit Robin Trower is currently using to give him tha rotating sound that replaced his Univibe. Dunlop is now also putting out an exact reproduction and the circuit is down to the exact specs. and looks of the original Dallas Arbiter Fuzz Face that Jimi used to get his distortion & neverending sustain. It's available today in 2 models. The first one (red) he used with the Germanium transistors and a second model (blue) which uses the Silicon transistor. The Silicon is said to be given a smoother type distortion and is less harsh than the Germanuim model. The Germanium red model goes for about $99.95 while the Silicon model goes for about $119.95.
Another good one that most people think is even better is (Bob Sweet's) Sweet Sound Ultra Vibe which has now been replaced by the Mojo Vibe to give a lushing rotating warbling effect. The Octava, Univox Univibe and Arbiter Fuzz Face were all turned on together to give those high shrills and bombs you hear on the Band Of Gypsies song "Machine Gun" and also the distortion and rotating you hear on the Star Spangled Banner from Woodstock. He had all these going on at one for that.
I am overexaggerating about the electric banjo, (laughs) but that's just how I was trying to explain that a clean Strat cranked through an amp on 10 would sound like as compared to the Telecaster and the Telecaster gives more mids and more distortion if you listen to them together cranked through an amp on 10 without using any effects. :lol:

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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:55 am
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"The Silicon is said to be given a smoother type distortion and is less harsh than the Germanuim model. "

Actually, i believe it's the other way around. Silicon transistors square off the wave more at higher frequency levels than the germanium transistor, which is known to ive a warmer distortion.

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Posted: Tue Aug 26, 2008 7:39 pm
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I believe the red Dunlop Fuzz Face with the Germanium transistors is the one Hendrix originally used.

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Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2008 6:33 pm
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Seriously-A pickup's hotness (passive pickups) depends on the magnet strength and quantity of turns of wire. Guage of wire determines the inductance and changes the frequency response. How many "OHMS" a pickup is indicates the impedance of the coil. Traditionally speaking,The Higher the impedance the "hotter" the pickup. All pickups vary. This is why we use different pickups in different configurations for tonal diversity. I couldbe wrong but I don't think MOST tele's are "hotter" than strats although some may very well be. If you need REAL HOT get "active"
pickups which have a preamp circuit to boost signal before the amp
aka EMG's,etc. A Jim Root Tele is pretty hot compared to a single coil
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Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2008 2:37 pm
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I think that the increasing resistance measurement, indicates a hotter pickup. There are some jazz players who love low impedance pickups, including Les Paul. I have two "RED" lace sensors in a dually arrangement @ the bridge on my Strat Ultra. These are the hottest pickups I have with a resistance of 14.5K. The GOLD mid pickup has a value of 5.8K and supposedly is similar to the original Fender pickup. The BLUE neck pickup has a value of 12.8K. I don't know the values on my Baja pickups (twisted tele and broadcaster). So if anyone knows I would be interested. Also the inductance increases with the hotter pickups.

I wish I could explain the differences of the terms impedance, inductance and resistance, but I don't remember the physics courses I took in college. Yes, it was the drugs.... :lol:

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I think the player has the most effect on the sound. james MarshalL Hendrix would sound heavy on electric ukelele (not sure of the spelling).


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