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Post subject: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Wed Jul 17, 2019 2:47 am
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They have the barrel type saddles with flatblade screws. I appear to have broken one. Are these the same as the vintage screws? What size are they?
I'm in Europe, where imperial sizes are extremely hard to find.

They are also pretty long. Are there shorter versions available?


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:52 am
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" Are these the same as the vintage screws ? "
Answer; to me "vintage" could mean many guitars; real vintage ? Reissue ? American , Mexican ......other ?


Guitar and parts diagram; keep on your file:

https://www.fmicassets.com/Damroot/Orig ... -26-15.pdf

Look here in europe ;

https://www.emma-music.com/boutique/rec ... t&triage=0


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:19 am
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Going on the service diagram, those are "SCREW ST 6-32 X 7/16 OVPT SL NI" and part number 0016105049.
The thread size, as the description says, is 6-32 (UNC), the lenght is 7/16" (11,1125 mm...)

Those are available in Europe, e.g. axecaster.co.uk (they have the 8mm variation, too) or allparts.uk.com or google the part number in ebay.uk. Even your local shop selling Fender stuff should be able to at least order them.

There are (at least) two solutions for too long saddle screws. Shim the neck, or dremel the screws shorter from the bottom, keeping the end shape original.


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 2:23 am
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+1 to dremel the screws shorter from the bottom, keeping the end shape original.

I will not shim the neck


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 6:30 am
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stratele52 wrote:
I will not shim the neck

Just out of curiosity, why not?

Shimming to correct the neck angle or to adjust it to the player's preferences is one of the big advantages of bolt-on necks.
On Jazzmasters, Jaguars etc. shimming used to be almost a standard operating procedure to cure bridge buzz or strings moving sideways - the increased break angle over the bridge, etc..
Shimming has been and still is used by the best guitar techs & luthiers, and factory stock shims are frequently found in Fenders. They are found even in the neck pockets of the fifties - sixties pre-CBS instruments which are usually considered to be the créme de la créme...

And Fender has even introduced the mechanical (one way only, though) shim gidget, the Micro-Tilt. Do you feel the same with that?


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:14 am
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jmattis wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
I will not shim the neck

Just out of curiosity, why not?

Shimming to correct the neck angle or to adjust it to the player's preferences is one of the big advantages of bolt-on necks.
On Jazzmasters, Jaguars etc. shimming used to be almost a standard operating procedure to cure bridge buzz or strings moving sideways - the increased break angle over the bridge, etc..
Shimming has been and still is used by the best guitar techs & luthiers, and factory stock shims are frequently found in Fenders. They are found even in the neck pockets of the fifties - sixties pre-CBS instruments which are usually considered to be the créme de la créme...

And Fender has even introduced the mechanical (one way only, though) shim gidget, the Micro-Tilt. Do you feel the same with that?

Always found that an odd feature. Seems to me it would be bad for the contact between the neck and body and the transferance everybody is so bent on. Fender went off it too. It's not on my '98 US Standard. I wouldn't opt for a shim for that same reason. I did once shave a neckpocket a sliver. Was enough to help. Kept it really straight and took a while, but I got oodles of time.

Anyway, the measures found and the parts number for the Vintage Telelcaster three barrel bridge is clear, Found those in between posting here and getting back. I am curious if those are the same as those in the sort of unique Elite bridge. I suspect they are, so I ordered a couple, don't have them yet. I don't know what was in the previous owners sweat, but they were BLACK.


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:14 am
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jmattis wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
I will not shim the neck

Just out of curiosity, why not?

Shimming to correct the neck angle or to adjust it to the player's preferences is one of the big advantages of bolt-on necks.
On Jazzmasters, Jaguars etc. shimming used to be almost a standard operating procedure to cure bridge buzz or strings moving sideways - the increased break angle over the bridge, etc..
Shimming has been and still is used by the best guitar techs & luthiers, and factory stock shims are frequently found in Fenders. They are found even in the neck pockets of the fifties - sixties pre-CBS instruments which are usually considered to be the créme de la créme...

And Fender has even introduced the mechanical (one way only, though) shim gidget, the Micro-Tilt. Do you feel the same with that?

Always found that an odd feature. Seems to me it would be bad for the contact between the neck and body and the transferance everybody is so bent on. Fender went off it too. It's not on my '98 US Standard. I wouldn't opt for a shim for that same reason. I did once shave a neckpocket a sliver. Was enough to help. Kept it really straight and took a while, but I got oodles of time.

Anyway, the measures found and the parts number for the Vintage Telelcaster three barrel bridge is clear, Found those in between posting here and getting back. I am curious if those are the same as those in the sort of unique Elite bridge. I suspect they are, so I ordered a couple, don't have them yet. I don't know what was in the previous owners sweat, but they were BLACK.


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 7:21 am
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jmattis wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
I will not shim the neck

Just out of curiosity, why not?

?


Problem is the screw not the neck angle if neck is flush to the body cavity / parallel to the body.


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 12:33 pm
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OK you both - I'm not trying to turn you over to microtilters or shimmers, just trying to have a conversation and maybe learn something myself. So peace, love and play LOUD.

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Always found that an odd feature. Seems to me it would be bad for the contact between the neck and body and the transferance everybody is so bent on. Fender went off it too. It's not on my '98 US Standard.

You're referring to the Micro-Tilt? Fender hasn't 'gone off' it.
The 1999 AmStd Tele service diagram has it, it followed through the AmSeries period to AmStd revival, and it's still in use with the successor model; AmProfessionals.
It was in the AmDeluxes as long as they were in production.
But it's not in the AmElites because of the really odd spoke wheel truss rod system. :wink:

On the transference (of vibrations, tone or whatever), the discussion might be endless.
So just a mention that in their setup guides, Fender still instructs using a shim (and that's a partial shim...) or Micro-Tilting in certain bridge/neck angle situations.

stratele52 wrote:
Problem is the screw not the neck angle if neck is flush to the body cavity / parallel to the body.

That's a 'which came first, chick or egg' kind of answer. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Mon Jul 22, 2019 1:12 pm
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Most people are afraid to play with the neck, are afraid to remove the four screw from the neck to the body.
Many don't understand neck angle versus saddle height .

We should say many don't have a dremmell :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Telecaster Elite thinline broken saddle screw
Posted: Tue Jul 23, 2019 9:46 am
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Many folk are frightened that removing the neck screws while the guitar is tuned to pitch is dangerous, because the neck can fly off under string tension.

It doesn't make it true, does it?

I do it every time my son's Classic 60s Lacquer Strat needs a truss rod tweak, and the only thing I'd report is that it makes sense to keep the strings captive at the nut with a capo.
You do not need to detune the strings, and when you put the neck back and put the plate and screws back in the guitar will still be pretty well in tune.

If the neck angle needs adjusting use a shim.
Card will do, but if you have an obsessive itch use the calibrated maple ones that Stewmac do.
If you have a neck tilt mechanism use it.

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