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Post subject: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Sat Jul 13, 2019 6:52 pm
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Hey there new to the group!

I just had a 1989 Tele Am Std setup and had my local shop pull the neck, and the neck stamps are quite mysterious. If anyone can shed any light on the history of the guitar and the meaning of the "MUSTA" stamp, I would be forver grateful.

(sorry couldn't figure out how to post pics)

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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:44 am
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Picture 1 ; IMO , Musta is a Fender worker who work on the guitar and signatures of other workers
Pict 2 ; Body made in jul and aug 1989, red ink; I don't know
Pict 3 ; date the neck was made
Pict 4 ; same as pict 2
Pict 5 ; Serial number E809882 ; guitar made in 1989
https://support.fender.com/hc/en-us/art ... ufactured-

Pict 6 ; somebody put sone shield tap on the pickguard and electrician black tape around neck pickups's wires


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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:06 am
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DJPsychic wrote:
.....had my local shop pull the neck, and the neck stamps are quite mysterious.


Welcome to the forum.

If your shop found the stamps mysterious I recommend you find another shop. Their ignorance would suggest they haven't removed many Fender necks. It all looks exactly as I would expect.

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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:12 am
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Can't really give any info beyond what you've already gotten on that faster tdpri forum.
But I'll give another confirmation that the MUSTA stamp is the name of a Fender worker who made the neck. Yours isn't the only one, although he/she isn't a very common find, but here's another from the exact same timeframe: https://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=67884

In general {and especially since Mr. Schwartz has stopped contributing on the forum (hi, Rob, in case you still read)}, beyond the obvious dates, names, FRR & whatnut stamps, there isn't much reliable info on different markings in old Fenders. If one's lucky there may even be a joke or a message from someone at the factory.

That FNL OP-40 is a mystery to me - being from the late eighties, it just can't refer to the Vietnam war and Call of Duty, but who knows... And there are slightly different ones, too - BUFF, OP with other numbers etc.
(Calling all real experts...)


And you get the pics to show here by copying the pic address (https...jpg) and using the IMG-command:
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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:59 am
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The shop don't need to know Fender story to set up and fix guitars properly.


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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 6:14 am
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Awesome, thank you for the info. I am curious about the other stamps as well.

The issue wasn't the shop, I just hadn't seen the "MUSTA" stamp. This is the oldest tele I've owned so was looking for more info on it's history, and also to confirm it's legit.


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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 9:07 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Picture 1 ; IMO , Musta is a Fender worker who work on the guitar and signatures of other workers
Pict 2 ; Body made in jul and aug 1989, red ink; I don't know
Pict 3 ; date the neck was made
Pict 4 ; same as pict 2
Pict 5 ; Serial number E809882 ; guitar made in 1989
https://support.fender.com/hc/en-us/art ... ufactured-

Pict 6 ; somebody put sone shield tap on the pickguard and electrician black tape around neck pickups's wires


Guy at guitar shop doesn't think the neck pickup is Fender based on wiring. I don't much about these things, but figured I'd post and see what yall think.

https://imgur.com/H2Ia0Uc

https://imgur.com/H2Ia0Uc

(for some reason "IMG" button doesn't work for me my apologies)


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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 10:44 am
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The double pot with the orange capacitor looks like a TBX tone pot.

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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 11:28 am
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stratele52 wrote:
The shop don't need to know Fender story to set up and fix guitars properly.


True. But, if he has opened up enough Fender necks he would have a reasonable idea of what he is likely to find in there. I'm not suggesting he is going to know all the names of the guys relative to the years but, I would have thought he could work out what is what. YMMV.

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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:20 pm
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DJPsychic wrote:
Guy at guitar shop doesn't think the neck pickup is Fender based on wiring.

The wiring looks very clean, so I think someone rewired the guitar at some point - scratchy pots or something like that. But note that a rewiring doesn't necessarily mean replacing pickups.
To my eyes, the neck pickup could be original, but if it's that clean and the bridge pup shows dirt & age, your tech may be right.
The TBX wiring was used in AmStandard/Series Teles from the beginning to about mid-nineties, as stratmangler noted.

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(for some reason "IMG" button doesn't work for me my apologies)

And you are using the pic address, right? As in, use {img]}https://i.imgur.com/H2Ia0Uc.jpg{/img} instead of {img]}https://imgur.com/H2Ia0Uc{/img} (no bolds and [] instead of {}'s).
Like, here's the neck pickup: Image


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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 12:59 pm
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jmattis wrote:

To my eyes, the neck pickup could be original, but if it's that clean and the bridge pup shows dirt & age, your tech may be right.
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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 1:05 pm
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(for some reason "IMG" button doesn't work for me my apologies)[/quote]


The reason is Fender Forum is not friendly for posting pictures, It is the worst forum I know :(


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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:16 pm
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John Sims wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
The shop don't need to know Fender story to set up and fix guitars properly.


True. But, if he has opened up enough Fender necks he would have a reasonable idea of what he is likely to find in there. I'm not suggesting he is going to know all the names of the guys relative to the years but, I would have thought he could work out what is what. YMMV.


I never asked him for info, just the pics.

The only thing he said to me is he hasn't seen the wiring like that on a fender pickup. Something about single wire vs two wires. I admit I had no idea what he was talking about, I'm a noob when it comes to electronics.


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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Mon Jul 15, 2019 2:21 pm
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jmattis wrote:
DJPsychic wrote:
Guy at guitar shop doesn't think the neck pickup is Fender based on wiring.

The wiring looks very clean, so I think someone rewired the guitar at some point - scratchy pots or something like that. But note that a rewiring doesn't necessarily mean replacing pickups.
To my eyes, the neck pickup could be original, but if it's that clean and the bridge pup shows dirt & age, your tech may be right.
The TBX wiring was used in AmStandard/Series Teles from the beginning to about mid-nineties, as stratmangler noted.

DJPsychic wrote:
(for some reason "IMG" button doesn't work for me my apologies)

And you are using the pic address, right? As in, use {img]}https://i.imgur.com/H2Ia0Uc.jpg{/img} instead of {img]}https://imgur.com/H2Ia0Uc{/img} (no bolds and [] instead of {}'s).
Like, here's the neck pickup: Image


Interesting. How can I verify if in fact it's the original pickup(s)? I can have him pull them next time.

Also are you saying it has been re-wired? Do the pots and switches look original? Sorry I'm dumb lol


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Post subject: Re: 1988 Tele American Standard Neck Stamps
Posted: Tue Jul 16, 2019 12:13 am
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The rewiring is my gut feel, not an absolute fact. On a guitar this old, I'd just expect a little more dust, rust, beer, gunk even inside the control cavity. But the TBX date (R13789??) would fit the 1989.
Was that pickguard copper shield added on this tech visit or earlier? (I don't think that's a factory stock.)

Fender didn't put date stamps on pickups. So, if the pickup fits the guitar model, it's hard/near impossible to say one way or another on originality - at least for me.

Here's a link to the tdpri forum, where all pics are visible on the topic: http://www.tdpri.com/threads/1989-tele- ... mp.962796/


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