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Post subject: Re: Action Height Question on an American Vintage 58
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 3:23 pm
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Indeed, as a teenager 40 years ago experimenting with strings on my '75 Strat, I had no trouble setting it up with .009s or even .008s.

Guess I was too green and stupid to understand that physics made it impossible.
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I will say that I've never used measurements to set up a guitar. I've occasionally taken measurements after doing a setup, just out of curiousity and for comparing against recommendations.

It seems I do prefer slightly higher action than most "standard" recommendations. On Gibsons as well as Fenders.

When I've experimented with "low as you can go without too much fretbuzz" actions, 7.25" radius is problematic with fret-out on big bends. With .010s or .011s.


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Post subject: Re: Action Height Question on an American Vintage 58
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:00 pm
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jmattis wrote:
Yep, I didn't refer to Mick Jagger or his posts in any way with the post quoted. It was actually meant to be a funny comment on CB91710's post directly above my post, and with reference to stratele52/myself discussing (not fighting) on page 1 about how to measure action. And yes, the grumpy old man is me.
That was how I took it.
And as a n00b, I resisted the urge to post a link to a 70s Fender manual that calls out measuring at the 17th :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Action Height Question on an American Vintage 58
Posted: Thu Mar 29, 2018 7:06 pm
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strayedstrater wrote:
When I've experimented with "low as you can go without too much fretbuzz" actions, 7.25" radius is problematic with fret-out on big bends. With .010s or .011s.
I do see Mick's point. Lighter strings run lower tension, and need to be bent further to achieve a given rise in pitch compared to a heavier string, so when one is attempting to duplicate something recorded, one is more likely to encounter fret-out with 8's and 9's than with 10's and 11's.
OTOH, some of us damn the torpedoes and push than string halfway across the neck regardless of gauge.

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Post subject: Re: Action Height Question on an American Vintage 58
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 12:07 pm
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jmattis wrote:
Yep, I didn't refer to Mick Jagger or his posts in any way with the post quoted.

The thread speaks for itself without revisionism, and is part of a broader context that many may not appreciate.
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On the thicker strings help a choking-when-bending issue, I (respectfully and all that jazz) disagree when it's presented as a general cure.
The distance a .010" string travels e.g. on a bend from 12th fret e up to g is easily big enough to bring out the more-prone-to-choking-than-flat-fretboards feature in the geometry of a 7.25" neck.

Changing from .009" strings to .010" strings, or if needed to .011" strings, is a general and reliable cure for nearly all cases of a 7.25" radius neck choking out, while maintaining low string height action.


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Post subject: Re: Action Height Question on an American Vintage 58
Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2018 11:21 pm
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You are right about a thicker string traveling a shorter distance when bending to a certain note.
You're wrong when you claim that this travel distance difference is enough to cure the choking-when-bending issues related to a round fretboard.

Try to assimilate this: numerous players who frequently do clean big bends use thin strings on a 7.25".


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