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Post subject: Tight fit Compensated Saddles
Posted: Tue Mar 14, 2017 11:04 pm
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looking for comp saddles with no gap between them.
I need the kind that butt up together. The ones I've seen
have gaps and the strings are too close to the height adjustment
screws. Thanks


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Post subject: Re: Tight fit Compensated Saddles
Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2017 6:04 pm
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Out of curiosity, why?
Many of us use a feeler or even a credit card to separate saddles after stringing to make sure they don't touch and add a buzzing sound.
And the closer the string is to the height adjustment screw without actually touching it, the higher the max downwards pressure for that saddle, and the less it moves.
Do you want a jangly sound? Just curious. If so, there may be other ways of achieving it.


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Post subject: Re: Tight fit Compensated Saddles
Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2017 4:47 pm
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I've never heard of anyone putting something between the saddles.
With the saddles touching it would transfer more sound vibration to the bridge plate.
They would act like one giant saddle. I think?
The ones that I have now touch each other but are getting grooves cut
by the strings. This causes a sitar like sound just like a nut slot that's too wide.
Thanks for your reply.


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Post subject: Re: Tight fit Compensated Saddles
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 2:03 am
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I don't think arth1 meant one would leave the feeler/credit card between the saddles, that trick is while adjusting the guitar. Well, maybe if the card is an AMEX Centurion...

On the "acting like one giant saddle", that's theoretical. Not saying it's wrong; many tweaks make the player feel better and thus improve the playing.
I don't know any manufacturer would purposedly do touching saddles, but the 'slant compensated' ones usually touch. If you just have to have straight touching saddles, you can do the feeler/credit card trick backwards; push any saddle set closer to each other to make them touch.

On the grooves, the quick fix is honing/filing/sanding/grinding/dremeling to shape & polishing. To prevent this from reappearing (at least slow it down), use lube.


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Post subject: Re: Tight fit Compensated Saddles
Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2017 7:01 am
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telecatster wrote:
With the saddles touching it would transfer more sound vibration to the bridge plate.
They would act like one giant saddle. I think?

Why would you think that?

1: The string vibrates in a plane. To simplify, any vibration can theoretically be seen as the sum of an up/down and a left/right vibration. When the string transfers its vibrations, the direction of these vectors don't change.
Most up/down vibrations gets transferred down through the closest bridge screws, so we can mostly disregard that component.
The sideways component doesn't have as easy a path, but loses most of its energy to heat attempting to vibrate the bridge sideways. Only a small part of it makes it into the bridge plate by wobbling the screws. But the sideways vibrational component can transfer easier into saddles next to it, which brings us to part 2:

2: With two blocks of hard metal side by side, the any sideways movement on one part will transfer to the other, moving it away or compressing it. But when the vibration reverses, it cannot pull the other part. You create a micro-gap between them, temporarily or permanently. This minute gap blocks smaller vibrations, but larger ones can still bridge it. The end result is buzzing.

To avoid this, many players use a feeler (or similar) to force a bigger gap between the saddles when stringing, big enough that the vibrations can't move the saddle enough to bridge it, and the saddles won't buzz.

Unless you can weld or clamp the saddles together so they move as a whole, they won't act as one big saddle when touching. Pushes transfer, but not pulls, and vibrations do both.

And if you could clamp them together, there's also another factor, which may be considered a good or a bad thing: Sympathetic ringing. Some of the vibrations don't just transfer to the bridge plate, but back into other strings. If the frequency of the source resonates with another string, sympathetic ringing happens. For some instruments like the violin family, that is desirable, and with pure fifths (3:2 ratio) between the strings, and a bridge that's intentionally made more resonant through cut-outs, this becomes an integral part of the sound. But for an electric guitar, it's not always a good thing.
You can easily hear this effect if you play the fifth fret on the bass E string, and then immediately mute the string. The adjacent A string keeps on ringing. On a three-part Tele bridge, this effect is stronger than with individual saddles, simply because there's a much shorter path between string pairs on the same saddle. Clamping the saddles together would almost certainly expand the increased sympathetic ringing to more strings.


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Post subject: Re: Tight fit Compensated Saddles
Posted: Sun Mar 19, 2017 8:36 am
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Check out Glendale's saddles. They are designed so that the ends touch.


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Post subject: Re: Tight fit Compensated Saddles
Posted: Tue Mar 21, 2017 12:03 am
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Arth1, that only holds true on the 5th fret.for E A D and B strings.
If you play a C note for instance on the A string 3rd fret, there's no other string going to ring a C note.
i just have strange views on certain things. like a bone nut. People rave about a bone nut but the second that you fret a note or a chord the bone nut is out the window. The bone nut is now behind your fingers. it's not ringing at all. it's like using a capo. instead of bone now it's a rubber nut.


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