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Post subject: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 9:03 pm
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I have a 2006 Special Edition Telecaster (1000 made with logo embossed on front). The tele is based on 52 specs and is a great guitar. I bought this guitar as a collectable and not a player, so it spends most of its life in its case in my house. I recently brought it out just to have a look and noticed that the finish is delaminating.Image I have no idea what is happening and whether it can be fixed (or should be?). I have numerous other guitars (Fenders and Gibsons) both left out and in cases that have not done this. When I contacted Fender they said take it the local licensed shop with the original receipt and they will try to figure it out. I have three issues with this approach; 1st being I have no respect for the shop they are suggesting and 2nd, I probably couldn't find a 10 year old receipt if my life depended on it and 3rd, Fender does not refinish they replace which likely can't be done for a 10 year old special edition.

So I find myself turning to forum members. Do you have any idea what is happening and if there is anyway to reverse it. If I just refinish it, I will lose any original value not to mention I will be really angry because what I wanted to be a collectable becomes a player, one that I haven't played because I thought it was a collectable. You can see the circle of cause and effect that makes me a little miffed. :x

Also, if my only choice is to refinish I might just do nothing and simply turn it into a player and let whatever happens, happen. My only concern with this approach is it won't look roadwork but simply crappy because it only along the sides and not front or back. I have attached some pictures and hope someone can shed some light on this. ImageImage
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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Sun Nov 20, 2016 10:14 pm
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I do not think that is reversible, I'm afraid.

First of all, to make sure that it's a defect and not damage:
- What case have you kept it in, and was it by any chance perfumed and not aired out? (A heavily perfumed G+G case caused damage to one of my guitars.)
- Have you ever played it after having sprayed yourself against mosquitoes, or even someone next to you spraying themselves while the guitar was out? Nothing will kill nitro finishes as quickly as bug spray will.

That out of the way (assuming no and no), it is likely a manufacturing defect, where it looks like the ground coat may not have covered the entire guitar. With time, the outer coat then sinks into the wood where it wasn't coated properly, but only where there are open wood pores, like on the sides. The only recourse I can see is taking it to a Fender dealer. And yes, Fender is likely to just replace the body, and transfer the front emblem if possible.

You could take it to a luthier for a fixup. Unlike a poly finish, a nitro finish can be spot fixed before it starts checking, but the problem might reoccur other places where there are open pores. :?

I'd take it in to the Fender dealer anyhow, with an agreement that they'll assess and contact Fender first, and won't do anything until they talk to you first with details about what will be done to the guitar (and "sending it to Fender" is not details).


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Mon Nov 21, 2016 8:12 am
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Thanks for the quick reply arth1. What you say seems to be what I keep coming across but I am really concerned about losing the body with inlay (shown in this picture).Image As you can see it isn't transferable, at least not as far as I can tell, as it is inlaid into the wood. I agree with many of your comments and thanks for your last suggestion in dealing with Fender, it will be useful when/if I take it to them. The reason I am not rushing to the Fender dealer is that I don't think they are going to tell me anything other than what you have said (maybe you should be a dealer..):D

I am still holding out hope that someone in the forums has seen this before and can describe what is involved in fixing it, even what a luthier would do to solve it.

Again, thanks for the quick and insightful answer.


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 1:37 pm
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That's a pity, it's a lovely guitar. I think, despite your reservations about the Fender accredited repair facility locally, it is your best...and probably only...chance of getting a warranty repair. The rules are fairly strict about the procedure, but in fairness to Fender, I know that they will help as much as they can, and that is the route I would take if the guitar were mine.
The alternative, although definitely not a free one, is to have someone, like Lays in Akron, Ohio, who do professional refinishing, who could strip and refinish the body.


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:44 pm
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Butterscotch wrote:
The alternative, although definitely not a free one, is to have someone, like Lays in Akron, Ohio, who do professional refinishing, who could strip and refinish the body.

Given that it's a nitro finish, and it has not started to checker, it can be spot touched up, with a light sanding and spraying just the areas that need it with multiple coats. Unlike poly finishes, nitro binds with nitro, so stripping may not be necessary, if a luthier can find/make a matching hue. That would be far less intrusive than stripping and re-inlaying.


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:36 pm
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Taking/sending it back to Fender is you best bet. If anyone has seen this problem Fender is your best bet to know what it is. I haven't seen anything quite like this in over 40+ years of playing Nitro finished guitars. Let them diagnose it, repair it, and know that they aren't going to screw up the inlay either. Short cuts on this kind of thing never work out in your favor so bite that bullet and get with Fender.

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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:59 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Taking/sending it back to Fender is you best bet. If anyone has seen this problem Fender is your best bet to know what it is. I haven't seen anything quite like this in over 40+ years of playing Nitro finished guitars. Let them diagnose it, repair it, and know that they aren't going to screw up the inlay either. Short cuts on this kind of thing never work out in your favor so bite that bullet and get with Fender.

Yes and no. Contacting Fender to find out what they will do with it is my first advice too, but Fender is not in the repair business, and apart from Custom Shop, they generally won't do anything more advanced than complete body or neck replacements. Replacing this body with a new one would be a bad thing. Like throwing half the value out the window bad. Even with the lacquer problems, a new body would hurt the value a lot.


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 2:35 pm
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So I took this to the Fender shop and they discussed the issue with Fender directly. According to Fender, they confirm this is a nitro cellulose finish and that this type of "wear" is common for nitro finishes. I have asked the repair shop to have the Fender team e-mail with the explanation, but I am not optimistic. Their answer was to leave it and let it continue to peel as that would have less effect on its value than refinishing the guitar. However, I think Fender's answer is lazy at best and frankly dismissive and intended to cover their "$@!" at best. I have Martins and Gibson's that do not wear this way, so their explanation is weak.


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 4:44 pm
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Yeah that does kind a suck. 10 years of moderate use and exposure might have caused that but stored in a case that shouldn't have happened unless it is a really-really light coat that maybe was rushed to get out on time. Hope you get a decent answer from Fender via email.
Best of luck getting it sorted out.


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Sat Mar 04, 2017 8:22 pm
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Normal wear for a 10 year old barely played guitar?

What a joke.

I don't see them making the closet classics or NOS guitars with this wear effect, they're talking out of their rear end of you ask me. That is a lame excuse. There are 50 year old guitars out there with a better finish than that.


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 5:28 am
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Don't accept this answer. This is not normal aging. They messed up the ground coat during production. Nitro finishes may check, crack and change color with age, but if they sink into the wood, it's because the wood lacks adequate sealant.

Too bad Fender has gone from "do what's right for the customer" to "do what saves us money".


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Sun Mar 05, 2017 10:05 am
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I agree, i would be on their case about this. Maybe they can provide you with many examples of this very common wear pattern?

Or maybe not because they're full of s**t.


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 12:09 am
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Yeah that is strange.
Just a question ... you didn't store it with a guitar strap left on by any chance? :D


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 6:34 am
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jimmy_james wrote:
Yeah that is strange.
Just a question ... you didn't store it with a guitar strap left on by any chance? :D

Thanks for asking but no I didn't. The guitar was stored how it came from the factory in its original case with all case candy intact and unopened. The only addition into the case was a Manila envelope protecting the COA and everything was stored in the case 'compartment'. The case is a special edition that has the full width compartment across the center of the case so nothing was exposed to the Guitar in the case, if that makes sense. What is angering is that Fender still hasn't put the explanation in writing to me. It feels like they are reluctant to commit to such a weak answer.


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Post subject: Re: 2006 Telecaster nitro finish peeling/lifting
Posted: Mon Mar 13, 2017 10:37 am
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Hey thanks for your answer.
That sucks .... it has to be some issue when the nitro was laid on.
Let's hope they do the right thing or their warranty is worthless. :D


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