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Post subject: Happy New Telecaster Day!
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 2:38 pm
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So, I stumbled across this on Monday, bought it today. Granted, I wasn't on the hunt for a Tele (rather a Dave Murray Strat), but when I spotted this, I had to have it. I wanted one a few years back when they were released, but funds didn't allow. Today they did. Presenting one Graham Coxon Telecaster:

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She's as sweet as a nut, one happy bunny here!

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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 3:18 pm
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Very very nice, congrat and enjoy.


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Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:42 pm
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So, I stumbled across this on Monday, bought it today. Granted, I wasn't on the hunt for a Tele (rather a Dave Murray Strat), but when I spotted this, I had to have it. I wanted one a few years back when they were released, but funds didn't allow. Today they did. Presenting one Graham Coxon Telecaster:

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She's as sweet as a nut, one happy bunny here!



Congrats and treat her nice!

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Post subject: Re: Happy New Telecaster Day!
Posted: Wed Nov 16, 2016 7:49 pm
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A new Telecaster day is always a happy day.


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Posted: Thu Nov 17, 2016 2:28 pm
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Congrats on the new guitar.

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Post subject: Re: Happy New Telecaster Day!
Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 1:21 am
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Thanks guys :) I still can't quite comprehend just how resonant she is. More so than my Les Paul, more so than my Strats...it's quite spectacular.

I am toying with the idea of changing out the threaded steel saddles for brass, purely for aesthetics. Anyone found any major tonal differences for doing so?

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:01 am
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Everything changes the tone on a guitar, including air humidity, which direction you are facing, and how hard your nut and bridge are.
Some say they hear a difference, and some not. I have seen no controlled measurements, but brass is more elastic than steel.


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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:00 am
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Congrats on the new guitar! I like the pickgard body color combo!

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Posted: Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:19 pm
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Congrats on the new guitar! I like the pickgard body color combo! 8) T2


x2, very nice


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Post subject: Re: Happy New Telecaster Day!
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:34 pm
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arth1 wrote:
nick_s wrote:
Thanks guys :) I still can't quite comprehend just how resonant she is. More so than my Les Paul, more so than my Strats...it's quite spectacular.
I am toying with the idea of changing out the threaded steel saddles for brass, purely for aesthetics. Anyone found any major tonal differences for doing so?

Everything changes the tone on a guitar, including air humidity, which direction you are facing, and how hard your nut and bridge are.
Some say they hear a difference, and some not. I have seen no controlled measurements, but brass is more elastic than steel.

I always find that when I face towards the North Star, with a 15 mph southerly wind at my back, just before a rain storm, that the tone of my Telecaster always sounds best......

Now, I bet you don't believe that, do you nick_s?
Let me assure you that Everything does NOT change the tone of an electric guitar.
There are no "elastic" properties in brass bridge saddles that will alter your amplified sound compared with the sound produced with steel bridge saddles.
That is a GUITAR MYTH.
If that was a news story, re-published by a Facebook news feed, they would be looking for a Macedonian connection for such poppycock.

Personally, I like the look of brass saddles too, and I too would swap out the steel bridge saddles for brass, purely for aesthetics purposes.
BTW, great looking Tele you got there, nick_s.
Let it rock!!


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Post subject: Re: Happy New Telecaster Day!
Posted: Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:57 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Everything changes the tone on a guitar, including air humidity, which direction you are facing, and how hard your nut and bridge are.
Some say they hear a difference, and some not. I have seen no controlled measurements, but brass is more elastic than steel.

I always find that when I face towards the North Star, with a 15 mph southerly wind at my back, just before a rain storm, that the tone of my Telecaster always sounds best......

I see you flaunt your ignorance and flout science. The earth's magnetic field is in the 0.25-0.65 gauss range. Which is only around 1-2% of the field strength a pickup typically exerts. But unlike the pickup, it affects the entire length of the string, so the total effect can be from a quarter to half of that of a pickup. Just like pickup height, the direction you face has an impact on sustain big enough to measure. If you face magnetic North (or South), your strings are perpendicular to the field, and you'll experience the biggest impact. Does it matter for playing loud music? Nah, but it really has a measurable effect.

But it gets worse. If near a radio source, like a radio tower or large engine, which direction you face makes even more of an impact. People have picked up radio stations with their guitars! Then it really does matter for playing music.

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There are no "elastic" properties in brass bridge saddles that will alter your amplified sound compared with the sound produced with steel bridge saddles.
That is a GUITAR MYTH.

Again. Brass is less stiff and more elastic than stainless steel. That's not even in question.
The string has two anchor points for vibration - one is the nut or the fret you play, and the other one is the bridge. The string vibrates, and if you could zoom in with a microscope, you'd see that at the rounded top of the bridge, the string vibrates against the bridge, and loses energy that goes down into the bridge (and for an acoustic, makes the entire top resonate). The material and elasticity directly affects how much energy is taken from the string.
Just like a steel nut or a zeroth fret negatively affects open string sustain[*], a steel bridge negatively affects it in the other end.

[*]: Which is one of the two reasons why an open string note rings noticeably longer than a first fret note. The nut steals less energy than the fret does.

As earlier said, your belief that an electric guitar doesn't resonate and color the tone by vibrating the pickups is also mistaken. Whether it's the strings vibrating or the pickups vibrating is irrelevant from an electromagnetic point of view. Sure, the pickups are vibrating far less than the strings do, but they still vibrate, and measurably so. If you mute the strings, and tap the body, unless you have a marble slab guitar, you get a signal from the pickups and can hear it through an amp. It's not nearly as loud as playing, but it's there. It adds to the sound.
And the bridge does just that - it taps the body. Repeatedly.

Again, everything you do affects sound. Whether it's enough to be noticeable is a different question, but a guitar isn't a magical object that doesn't have to obey the laws of physics. When you make changes to the system, they affect the system.


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Post subject: Re: Happy New Telecaster Day!
Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 6:56 pm
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arth1 wrote:
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arth1 wrote:
Everything changes the tone on a guitar, including air humidity, which direction you are facing, and how hard your nut and bridge are.
Some say they hear a difference, and some not. I have seen no controlled measurements, but brass is more elastic than steel.

I always find that when I face towards the North Star, with a 15 mph southerly wind at my back, just before a rain storm, that the tone of my Telecaster always sounds best......

I see you flaunt your ignorance and flout science. The earth's magnetic field is in the 0.25-0.65 gauss range. Which is only around 1-2% of the field strength a pickup typically exerts. But unlike the pickup, it affects the entire length of the string, so the total effect can be from a quarter to half of that of a pickup. Just like pickup height, the direction you face has an impact on sustain big enough to measure. If you face magnetic North (or South), your strings are perpendicular to the field, and you'll experience the biggest impact. Does it matter for playing loud music? Nah, but it really has a measurable effect.

Mr. Peabody, your rationalized, pseudo-scientific, error filled certitude is on full display once again for all to see.

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Arth1, you once again flaunt your compulsion for delusional, pseudo-science, in support of your penchant for propagating Electric GUITAR MYTHS, as the crowned King of the Fender Lounge Alchemists Society; rumored reside in an alternative reality, somewhere in the State of Macedonia.

I once again must come to the rescue of those Fender Lounge Lizards, who may haplessly fall under the propaganda spell of King arth1's "fake news," and unsupported exaggerations, as a perpetrator of internet MYTHS and falsehoods regarding the electric guitar.

Arth1, my friend, as the King of the Fender Lounge Alchemists Society, by extrapolation from your prolific mythological assertions regarding the electric guitar, I must declare that you seemingly love to conjecture that there are billions or trillions of angels at all times dancing on the heads of pins in your rationalized world; all of which affect the tone of an electric guitar.

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Unfortunately, a sober view of reality dictates that contrary to the view of the electric guitar through your Alchemist's telescope, opposite viewpoints are actually true.
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Arth1, you are correct that the Earth's magnetic field is in the 0.25-0.65 gauss range.
Gauss's theorem can be interpreted in terms of the measurement and/or calculation of the magnitude of magnetic force field lines that flow through, or penetrate a surface, with field lines of opposite charge penetrating the surface in the opposite direction.
Gauss's theorem establishes that the number of magnetic force field lines emanating from a closed surface is equal to the total number of charges or force lines that appear within it .

The Earth's core is relatively speaking, very large, but it is also extremely weak electro-magnetically (in the 0.25-0.65 gauss range) when viewed at the scale size of human reality.
The extreme weakness of Earth's magnetic field, relative to the size and scope of human reality on Earth, can be shown by taking a steel plate, welding a steel rod of any length or width onto the plate, and submerging the rod into the earth, with the steel plate resting on the surface of the earth.
Then take a steel object; lets say, about the weight of an electric guitar, and place the steel object on the steel plate.

It will take the same force to lift the steel object from the steel plate, as the gravitational weight of the steel object, absent any need for measurement of any magnetic force or attraction of the steel object to the steel plate caused by the magnetism of the Earth's core.
This is due to the fact that as the Earth's magnetic force, at the size and scope of human reality, is a virtually a non-existent force, capable only of spinning a "feather light" magnetic pointer, balanced on the head of a pin, in a directional compass (upon which, there are no angels dancing....).

By way of contrast, the electro-magnetic field strength of an average electric guitar pickup, is approximately 1000 gauss*, with a pickup being only 2-3 inches long.
This contrasts with the vast size of the Earth's core and the minimal strength of the Earth's magnetic field, as perceived at the micro level of human existance.
*For reference to the 1000 gauss measurement, see: http://www.physics.princeton.edu/~mcdon ... guitar.pdf

The electro-magnetic force of an average guitar pickup is therefore, approximately 4000 times greater than the magnetic force of the Earth, concentrated in the size of a guitar pickup, while having an electro-magnetic field that is much smaller in size than that of the Earth.
When you compare the average 1000 gauss magnetic pickup, to the 0.25 - 0.65 gauss range of the magnetic strength the Earth's core, even you arth1, should be able to understand that the Earth's electromagnetic field has absolutely NO affect on the magnetic field of an electric guitar pickup, as influenced by the frequency vibration of a steel electric guitar string.

Arth1, your Alchemist, pseudo-science, rationalized assertion, that the Earth's magnetic field effects the sound or tone of an amplified electric guitar, depending on which direction (North - East - West - South) you are standing, is purely delusional nonsense, having absolutely no scientific validity, and constitutes an outrageous and egregious GUITAR MYTH.

Arth1, I might add that there is no evidence that a butterfly flapping it's wings in the Southern hemisphere, can cause hurricanes to form in the Northern hemisphere, or otherwise, can effect the tone of an electric guitar. (Reference is made to the widely debunked theory: "The Butterfly Effect").

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But it gets worse. If near a radio source, like a radio tower or large engine, which direction you face makes even more of an impact. People have picked up radio stations with their guitars! Then it really does matter for playing music.

Arth1, whether you live near a radio tower or not, if radio stations are affecting your sound by being captured and amplified sonically, you almost surely have a poorly insulated guitar cable which is acting as an antenna, or such phenomena is due to some poor design in your amplifier.

Electromagnetic radio waves do not effect the magnetic field of a guitar pickup, for the same reason that the magnetic field of the Earth does not effect pickups.
The relative strength of the electro-magnetic field of an electric guitar pickup is thousands of times stronger than any radio wave, assuming of course, that you are not attempting to play the guitar from the top of a radio tower.

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MickJagger wrote:
There are no "elastic" properties in brass bridge saddles that will alter your amplified sound compared with the sound produced with steel bridge saddles.
That is a GUITAR MYTH.

Again. Brass is less stiff and more elastic than stainless steel. That's not even in question.
The string has two anchor points for vibration - one is the nut or the fret you play, and the other one is the bridge. The string vibrates, and if you could zoom in with a microscope, you'd see that at the rounded top of the bridge, the string vibrates against the bridge, and loses energy that goes down into the bridge (and for an acoustic, makes the entire top resonate). The material and elasticity directly affects how much energy is taken from the string.
Just like a steel nut or a zeroth fret negatively affects open string sustain[*], a steel bridge negatively affects it in the other end.[*]: Which is one of the two reasons why an open string note rings noticeably longer than a first fret note. The nut steals less energy than the fret does. .

If you could zoom in with an actual microscope, and not your Alchemist's telescope, you would see that the string never, ever, looses contact with the bridge saddle.
The actual vibration of the string ends at the bridge saddle contact point, where vibration energy is transferred into the bridge saddle at the contact point, and is transferred to the bridge plate and into the body of the guitar.
However, the vast majority of vibrational energy of the string is reflected back into the string at the bridge saddle contact point.

It is agreed that the string loses some degree of energy as vibration energy bleeds from the string into the bridge and guitar body where it is dissipated.
However, your concern with the amount of "sustain" is primarily a consequence of the scale length of the guitar and where on the neck the string is being played.
The longer the string, the greater the sustain.
This is why there is greater sustain from an open string as opposed to a fretted string (in addition to the increased tension produced in a fretted string), which has absolutely nothing to do with a steel fret, and a bone nut.
A second primary factor affecting sustain is the size and mass of the string.
A third somewhat less important factor affecting sustain, is the affect of the magnetic field of the pickup on the steel string.

The relative difference between a brass bridge saddle and a steel bridge saddle, having a detectable difference in the sustain of a guitar string, is a figment of your active, pseudo-scientific, "Alchemist" imagination, which is prone to delusional rationalizations, which support the many GUITR MYTHS which you advocate.

While there would be some relatively small difference in the speed at which brass and steel transfer sound as vibration energy, it has no discernable affect on sustain and certainly has no audible affect on the amplified sound and tone of an electric guitar.
And while it is true that brass has a greater MOLECULAR "elasticity" than steel, there is absolutely NO difference in the SURFACE "elasticity" of brass and steel bridge saddles, under the compression of a tuned steel guitar string.
The brass SURFACE of a brass saddle does not "morph," fluctuate or alter its surface shape in any "elastic" manner under string vibration; nor does a steel saddle.

Any difference in the transfer rate of vibrational sound energy through a brass bridge saddle, due to brass having a greater MOLECULAR "elasticity" than steel (which may be possibly heard acoustically, when playing an unplugged electric guitar, testing both brass and steel bridge saddles), has absolutely NO audible effect on the amplified sound or tone of an electric guitar.
Any difference in the transfer rate of vibrational energy between steel and brass bridge saddles also has a negligible affect on how much energy bleeds from the string.
It therefore has a negligible affect on sustain, and has NO affect on the amplified tone of the guitar, as perceived by the human ear.

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As earlier said, your belief that an electric guitar doesn't resonate and color the tone by vibrating the pickups is also mistaken. Whether it's the strings vibrating or the pickups vibrating is irrelevant from an electromagnetic point of view. Sure, the pickups are vibrating far less than the strings do, but they still vibrate, and measurably so. If you mute the strings, and tap the body, unless you have a marble slab guitar, you get a signal from the pickups and can hear it through an amp. It's not nearly as loud as playing, but it's there. It adds to the sound.
And the bridge does just that - it taps the body. Repeatedly.

Arth1, put your hand directly on the strings, directly over the pickup and tap the body of an amplified guitar.
There is no amplified sound unless you pound on the guitar hard enough to move the strings.
There is simply very little possible movement of a pickup, regardless of how it is mounted, and it certainly cannot affect the sound and tone of an electrical guitar, as perceived by the human ear, as played under the entire range of possible playing styles and conditions.

In your test as described, you merely "mute" the strings, presumably somewhere on the neck, which allows the strings to move or vibrate, due to vibration transferred from the body of the guitar to the muted strings.
This causes the muted sound to be amplified.
This amplified sound is not caused by any minimal movement of the pickup.
Any possible movement of the pickup, is negligible, both in the degree of movement and any potential for effecting amplified sound.

In addition, contrary to your assertion, bridge saddles do NOT lose contact with, or "TAP" the bridge plate "repeatedly".
Bridge saddles transfer vibrational energy directly to the bridge and body by direct contact with the bridge plate, despite any slight movement or slight "skating" of the bridge saddle on the bridge plate, which is certainly less than 1/10 mm of movement, laterally.
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Again, everything you do affects sound. Whether it's enough to be noticeable is a different question, but a guitar isn't a magical object that doesn't have to obey the laws of physics. When you make changes to the system, they affect the system.

Now we finally get to the weasel words of an Alchemist, who despite knowing that his rationalized pseudo-scientific theories are in the nature of Swiss cheese -- full of holes (and full of something else, as well !), refuses to resist promoting a rationalized, embellished view of electric guitar reality, and continues to live in a world of Guitar Myths.

If something has no noticeable effect on perceived sound, then it has no "effect" on sound.
Period.
Unless of course, the billions and trillions of angels that are all dancing on the heads of pins in the mind of Arth1, are all wearing tap dance shoes......... :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Happy New Telecaster Day!
Posted: Sun Nov 27, 2016 11:06 am
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That's right.
Take a guy's joy at having a new toy and spoil it.

You both sound like children.
"Did not."
"Did too."
"Did Not."
"Did too."

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Post subject: Re: Happy New Telecaster Day!
Posted: Tue Nov 29, 2016 6:19 pm
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That's right.
Take a guy's joy at having a new toy and spoil it.

You both sound like children.
"Did not."
"Did too."
"Did Not."
"Did too."

He's still got his toy...., maybe he got some laughs....., and maybe he learned something........


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Post subject: Re: Happy New Telecaster Day!
Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2017 12:20 pm
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I have this guitar to!
I put in a DiMarzio in the bridge, brass saddles and 250k pots. The guitar was originally too bright sounding, but one of the best teles i have ever tried. It's a keeper for sure.


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