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Post subject: Just Purchased American Vintage Tele 58 Blonde
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 8:24 am
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hey guys, first post here and first time owner of a Fender. Just bought this guitar from sweet water for a great price, or so i think at least lol.

http://shop.fender.com/en-US/electric-g ... rs&start=1

Im just curious what your thoughts on this guitar are, pros, cons, etc.

Im in chicago and found a used 2013 model with a mastery bridge installed but the price difference was within 200 bucks from a brand new 2016 model so i didnt go with it. it also had a small chip.


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Post subject: Re: Just Purchased American Vintage Tele 58 Blonde
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 9:21 am
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Post subject: Re: Just Purchased American Vintage Tele 58 Blonde
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 12:00 pm
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gconley84 wrote:
hey guys, first post here and first time owner of a Fender. Just bought this guitar from sweet water for a great price, or so i think at least lol.

http://shop.fender.com/en-US/electric-g ... rs&start=1

Im just curious what your thoughts on this guitar are, pros, cons, etc.

Im in chicago and found a used 2013 model with a mastery bridge installed but the price difference was within 200 bucks from a brand new 2016 model so i didnt go with it. it also had a small chip.


Welcome aboard. How do you like that D neck profile?

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Post subject: Re: Just Purchased American Vintage Tele 58 Blonde
Posted: Thu Oct 27, 2016 7:57 pm
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I love the Teles that have slightly chunkier necks.
And also, a wood mounted neck pickup is something I love - it won't vibrate with the pickguard, causing unwanted harmonics and dampening.

However, I'm not a big fan of the 3-saddle steel bridges, which to me is the worst of both worlds - the unforgiving stiffness of steel, and the lack of proper intonation of 3-saddle bridges with modern strings.


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Post subject: Re: Just Purchased American Vintage Tele 58 Blonde
Posted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 1:56 pm
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gconley84 wrote:
hey guys, first post here and first time owner of a Fender. Just bought this guitar from sweet water for a great price, or so i think at least lol.

http://shop.fender.com/en-US/electric-g ... rs&start=1

Im just curious what your thoughts on this guitar are, pros, cons, etc.

Im in chicago and found a used 2013 model with a mastery bridge installed but the price difference was within 200 bucks from a brand new 2016 model so i didnt go with it. it also had a small chip.

Hi gconley84,
Sounds like you bought a great Tele!!
Good thinking that you stayed away from the Tele "Mastery Bridge".
It may work fine, but it sure lacks esthetics, from the pictures I have seen...!!!!

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....a wood mounted neck pickup is something I love - it won't vibrate with the pickguard, causing unwanted harmonics and dampening.
However, I'm not a big fan of the 3-saddle steel bridges, which to me is the worst of both worlds.
The unforgiving stiffness of steel, and the lack of proper intonation of 3-saddle bridges with modern strings.

As usual, I disagree with arth1.
A modern, non-microphonic pickup, which is mounted to the body, as it was in '58, will not produce any better, or any discernably different sound, than a modern, non-microphonic pickup, which is mounted to the pickguard on a Telecaster, or on any other electric guitar.

In addition, Arth1's theory of "unwanted harmonics and dampening," which arth1 attributes to pickups being mounted in the pickguard; and which arth1 apparently claims is discernable by the human ear in amplified sound, is soundly within the realm of "GUITAR MYTHOLOGY;" a common form of electric guitar, make believe "weltanschauung," with which arth 1 is very familiar.

Additionally, a 3-saddle steel bridge, is NOT any more "unforgivingly stiff" (whatever that is supposed to mean) than a 3-saddle brass bridge, or any other Fender Telecaster bridge.
If your gurtar is set up properly, you will never notice any discernable intonation problem in your amplified sound, regardless of what type of strings you may be using.
Nor will you notice any difference, or alteration in your amplified sound, that could possibly be attributed to your guitar having "steel" bridge saddles.


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Post subject: Re: Just Purchased American Vintage Tele 58 Blonde
Posted: Sat Oct 29, 2016 4:36 pm
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Post subject: Re: Just Purchased American Vintage Tele 58 Blonde
Posted: Sun Oct 30, 2016 6:21 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
Additionally, a 3-saddle steel bridge, is NOT any more "unforgivingly stiff" (whatever that is supposed to mean) than a 3-saddle brass bridge

The stiffness, as measured in force divided by displacement, is certainly much higher for steel than for brass.
Unforgiving, as in as a string vibrates, the angle at which it passes the bridge changes, and with a softer bridge, the bridge itself is elastic enough to not hinder the vibrations as much, especially for lower amplitude higher frequency sounds (i.e. treble).

For a solidbody guitar, the nut and bridge serve the same function as end anchor points for string vibration. There are valid reasons for stainless steel nuts and zeroth fret not being nearly as popular as bone nuts, for people putting "string savers" or other softer metal saddles on Tune-o-matic style bridges, and for brass bridges being more popular than steel ones for Telecasters. You don't want the anchor points to be too hard.

But why do I even bother. You don't believe in anything else that's based on science and calls it alchemy, and stick to your snake oil which you call facts, so I'm probably talking to a wall here. At least others who read this might be warned off from listening to you.


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Post subject: Re: Just Purchased American Vintage Tele 58 Blonde
Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2016 7:33 pm
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arth1 wrote:
MickJagger wrote:
Additionally, a 3-saddle steel bridge, is NOT any more "unforgivingly stiff" (whatever that is supposed to mean) than a 3-saddle brass bridge

The stiffness, as measured in force divided by displacement, is certainly much higher for steel than for brass. Unforgiving, as in as a string vibrates, the angle at which it passes the bridge changes, and with a softer bridge, the bridge itself is elastic enough to not hinder the vibrations as much, especially for lower amplitude higher frequency sounds (i.e. treble).

Arth1, you are correct that steel is stronger and harder than brass.
Now let's discuss your psudo-scientific proposition, that both brass and steel bridge saddles have different "elastic" properties, relative to an electric guitar string.

I argue that there is absolutely no "surface elastic" difference of any consequence, between brass and steel bridge saddles, relative to the pressure produced by the tension of a tuned guitar string on a bridge saddle, including the high "E" string.

To believe otherwise is to believe in a GUITAR MYTH.

Brass and steel bridge saddles have absolutely no physical effect on the vibration of the string, other than they bleed off vibrational string energy at a slightly different rate, due to their being different alloy metals, having different "molecular elastic" properties.

If you play the same electric guitar "acoustically," first with brass bridge saddles, and then with steel bridge saddles, it may be possible to hear a different "acoustic sound" emanating from the bridge or the guitar, as a result of a slight difference in the rate of the transfer and dissipation of vibrational string energy into the bridge saddle.

This is similar to comparing an electric guitar with a rosewood fretboard, and the same guitar fitted with a maple fret board.
"Acoustically," they sound much different due to the different rates at which the different fretboards absorb and dissipate vibrational energy.
However the same electric guitar, changing only the fretboard, will exhibit the same "amplified sound" to the limits of perception of the human ear.

Just like comparing the same guitar with different fretboards, there is no audible difference in the "amplified sound" of the same guitar, when comparing brass and steel bridge saddles, as any slight difference in the rate of the transfer and dissipation of vibrational string energy into the bridge saddle, has no affect on the pickups or on the "amplified sound" of the guitar, within the limits of perception of the human ear, absent a subjective rationalization to the contrary.


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