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Post subject: Another FNG's Telecaster
Posted: Mon Jun 13, 2016 4:07 pm
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I decided to add a Telecaster to my stable. It's an American Special. It's got the brass saddles which worried me a bit that it would not intonate very well but I haven't had to do anything to it and the open and 12th fret tune is almost right on. The fretboard is almost flat and the action feels good to me. So far so good. It's a lot lighter than I thought too. Image


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Post subject: Re: Another FNG's Telecaster
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:46 am
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I own a 52 reissue with 3 brass saddles, yes intonation is not perfect but sound is so good and it was the way it was built by Leo.

My fretboard is 7.25" radius.

Your fretboard is a 9.5" radius. It is not what I call " almost flat". Gibson, Godin and some Fender to name a few use 12" radius.

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Post subject: Re: Another FNG's Telecaster
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:29 pm
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Almost flat, as in, convex or concave laterally.


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Post subject: Re: Another FNG's Telecaster
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 12:48 pm
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mustanggt7 wrote:
Almost flat, as in, convex or concave laterally.


Ok , almost flat like almost straight :lol:

I like 0.013 inches at the 8th fret.


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Post subject: Re: Another FNG's Telecaster
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 1:14 pm
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I also own an AV '52 with 3 brass saddles, and have never had any problem setting intonation at the 12th fret using a chromatic tuner.

On any Tele bridge with brass barrel saddles, you should be able to adjust intonation at the 12th fret to a point where any where any variation in intonation at the 12th fret, is so slight that it is unrecognizable to the chromatic tuner.

Of course, there are numerous "GUITAR MYTHS," some of which I have discussed at length in this Forum, which certainly include the argument that setting intonation on a Tele bridge with brass barrel saddles (and/or using other style bridges), requires some form of exotic intonation tuning at various frets, other than at just the 12th fret, to achieve a proper intonation adjustment.

The fact of the matter is that no guitar, particularly one with a 25.5" scale length, will ever provide perfect tuning at every fret, when intonation is correctly set at the 12th fret, regardless of the type of bridge.
However, any variation of tuning at other frets, is normally beyond the ability of the human ear to distinguish any anomaly while actually playing the guitar, particularly when the guitar is amplified.

This fact elevates the argument that exotic intonation tuning is a requirement for proper intonation adjustment, particularly on Telecasters with uncompensated bridges, to the realm of "GUITAR MYTH".

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Post subject: Re: Another FNG's Telecaster
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 2:20 pm
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With 3 saddles , intonation can't be accurate like a 6 saddles bridge.
If it was , guitar builder won't use 6 saddles.

If with your 3 saddles, intonation look accurate maybe your tuner is wrong ?

I use the Peterson Virtual Strobe Tuner VSII


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Post subject: Re: Another FNG's Telecaster
Posted: Tue Jun 14, 2016 3:06 pm
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I said its almost in tune across the board at the open and then the 12th fret. What has been said about tuning them must be true because it sounds in tune to my ear. Of course its not perfect. Not even my other guitars are perfect. Maybe I'm so pleased that it isn't a nightmare like some people have made it out to be.


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Post subject: Re: Another FNG's Telecaster
Posted: Wed Jun 15, 2016 3:28 pm
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With 3 saddles , intonation can't be accurate like a 6 saddles bridge.
If it was , guitar builder won't use 6 saddles.

If with your 3 saddles, intonation look accurate maybe your tuner is wrong ?

Now-a-days, I generally only use a Snark SN-1 Guitar Tuner, because it serves my needs.
You may argue that this type of clip-on tuner is not as accurate as a Peterson Virtual Strobe Tuner VSII.

While that may be technically true, the Snark Tuner provides a tuning that is certainly sufficient for my ears.
I believe that any lack of accuracy of the Snark Tuner, falls into the "de minimus" category of inaccuracy, which is so slight that it is not perceptible to the human ear.
That said, I can obtain intonation tuning at the 12th fret on all six strings, that matches the open string tuning on all six strings on my AV '52 Telecaster.

Now it is hard to imagine how any proposed inaccuracy of the tuner, could cause a variation in tuning at a different octave at the 12th fret, which would allow for intonation adjusted tunings for all strings at the 12th fret, both compressed and harmonically, to match all open string tunings, when using a Snark Tuner?

It would seem to me that if my uncompensated saddles were unable to be adjusted to provide for matching intonation at the 12th fret, as conventional wisdom dictates; and to the extent that my Snark Tuner is not technically "accurate"; that any lack of accuracy of the Snark Tuner would be reflected as the same in both the open string tunings, and in 12th fret string tunings.

Therefore, any inaccuracy of the Snark Tuner, should not technically affect the ability, or inability, to achieve matching intonation tuning adjustments at the 12th fret .
Any inability to achieve matching intonation tuning at the 12th fret with uncompensated saddles, should still be reflected at the 12th fret, regardless of any slight inaccuracy of the tuner.
This is due to the fact that any inherent inaccuracy of the Snark Tuner, should not vary due to a change in octave.

Contrary to conventional wisdom, I am able to achieve matching 12th fret tuning, both compressed and harmonically, to the open string tuning of all six strings on my AV '52 Telecaster.
This elevates this tested "conventional wisdom" in my opinion, to the status of being a "GUITAR MYTH".


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Post subject: Re: Another FNG's Telecaster
Posted: Fri Jun 17, 2016 1:18 pm
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To be truthful, I don't really know "why" my AV '52 Tele with uncompensated brass barrel bridge saddles is able to adjust to have matched intonation tuning at the 12 fret with the open string tunings.
I don't really know if this is a unique phenomenon to my particular AV '52 Telecaster, or not.

So before I actually conclude this to be a "GUITAR MYTH," I would be interested in seeing if anyone else has had similar intonation results with the traditional, uncompensated brass barrel Telecaster bridge.


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