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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 1:31 am
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Well I guess they picked it up from EVH design since Fender and EVH are in corporate now...


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 7:15 am
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WaymoreProta wrote:
Well I guess they picked it up from EVH design since Fender and EVH are in corporate now...


Definitely - the EVHs have had that design since he came to FMIC; it was on the Peavey Wolfgangs as well (and Peavey began using it on other models after the Wolfgang came out). FMIC is now using it on the production Charvels, from the MIM Pro Mods up to the $3,800 USA Guthrie Govan models.

There are many other manufacturers who use this style - EBMM has been using it since 1985 (EVH probably brought it to Peavey from EBMM) but on their style the wheel is completely below the neck. Levinson Blade has also been using it since the 1980s. I've noticed that a lot of recent ESPs have it as well - most of that "E-II" series (mid-priced MIJ models) have it. Except for the EBMMs these other manufacturers are implementing it the same as Fender - the wheel is in the overhang area of the fingerboard.

I think it would be relatively difficult to scratch the fingerboard on the Fenders while adjusting - the wheel is far enough below the fingerboard, and you won't have enough travel to hit the edges of the overhang. You would be almost as likely to damage the edges of the plug in the headstock.


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 9:16 am
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Plus, there's not much need for the possibility of "unlimited turns with a truss rod tool" - a quarter or a half turn is usually plenty in doing the usual yearly climate adjustments.
On the other hand, the spoken wheel system might increase unnecessary fiddling with the truss rod when any pointed object acts as the tool. Too often truss rod seems to be considered a universal cure for any guitar problem. :wink:

That being said, I'm personally not too keen on the spoken wheel looks, I don't think there's much innovation to boast about, and I prefer the headstock adjusting rod. And, especially when considering the ingenuous mix&match character of Fenders, I think it's best if this stays an Am Elite feature only.

BTW, the first pics I've seen of the AmElite Thinline Tele bridge taken off a guitar, are on this tdpri.com topic

bmjones17 wrote:
If you choose not to buy this guitar due to the cosmetic complaint you are stating......you shouldn't even own a guitar, let alone be posting on a forum about them.

Now there's a rough one for a first forum post.
Following the logic: one should own every guitar one hates, if one wants to comment on the forum... :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 12:27 pm
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bmjones17 wrote:
Negative Feedbacks? Lol
The only negative feedback the new spoke wheel gets is from people who don't own.
...If you choose not to buy this guitar due to the cosmetic complaint you are stating......you shouldn't even own a guitar, let alone be posting on a forum about them.
...Sorry you two feel oppressed...

The only positive feedback the new spoke wheel gets is from people who own.

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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 1:01 pm
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MickJagger wrote:
bmjones17 wrote:
Negative Feedbacks? Lol
The only negative feedback the new spoke wheel gets is from people who don't own.
...If you choose not to buy this guitar due to the cosmetic complaint you are stating......you shouldn't even own a guitar, let alone be posting on a forum about them.
...Sorry you two feel oppressed...

The only positive feedback the new spoke wheel gets is from people who own.

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Lol


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 9:39 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
People who shelled out the dough are not likely to diss what they voted for with their wallets.

Post-purchase rationalization is a form of choice-supportive bias, and something most of us are subject to.

It can take time before that particular bias is overcome. But, I have a bunch of stuff that I just don't use, and eventually realized that it wasn't any better than what I had. A guitar, an amp, a stack of pedals... All stuff I thought was innovative and great after I bought it. But new and different doesn't imply great, or even better.
Time is the best judge.


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Sat May 07, 2016 10:19 pm
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John C wrote:
I think it would be relatively difficult to scratch the fingerboard on the Fenders while adjusting - the wheel is far enough below the fingerboard, and you won't have enough travel to hit the edges of the overhang.

That's begging the question. You don't have enough travel because you hit the edges of the overhang.

John C wrote:
You would be almost as likely to damage the edges of the plug in the headstock.

No, rotating the truss rod does not bring the tool in contact with the edges of the plug in the headstock, unless you use a key that's too short. For the Fender supplied allen key, insert the long end into the hole, not the short end. (Unless you have a bullet, in which case it doesn't matter.)


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Sun May 08, 2016 7:22 am
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arth1 wrote:
John C wrote:
I think it would be relatively difficult to scratch the fingerboard on the Fenders while adjusting - the wheel is far enough below the fingerboard, and you won't have enough travel to hit the edges of the overhang.

That's begging the question. You don't have enough travel because you hit the edges of the overhang.


No - assuming the Fender wheel has the same ratio as the EBMM wheel you don't even hit the strings in making a quarter-turn adjustment. So you would hit the strings well before you hit the overhang unless you've taken them off - which of course would bring up your other issue of possibly damaging the strings.

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John C wrote:
You would be almost as likely to damage the edges of the plug in the headstock.

No, rotating the truss rod does not bring the tool in contact with the edges of the plug in the headstock, unless you use a key that's too short. For the Fender supplied allen key, insert the long end into the hole, not the short end. (Unless you have a bullet, in which case it doesn't matter.)


I was thinking more of damaging the plug while trying to insert the allen wrench, not from turning it. With either system, as long as you use reasonable care neither one is going to result in damage to strings or the wood on the neck.

I do have an issue with the Fender wheel that you haven't mentioned - there isn't one hell of a lot of wood below the 22nd fret in that cutout area. While the fingerboard is pretty thick, you only have a couple of mms of wood to work with when doing a refret.


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Mon May 09, 2016 12:47 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Time is the best judge.

Time is up!!
The Fender Elite Series Truss Rod Wheel is a horrendously UGLY design that is mated to Fender's "Elite" series, $1,800.00 guitars, instead of merely being a detestable anomaly, dedicated to the "Squire" label.

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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Mon Oct 24, 2016 3:51 pm
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I love mine but watch out for pick up problems. I had to have my bridge pick up replaced after a week because it was cutting out. I played maybe 20 Elites while deciding which color and neck to purchase and ran into two others that had intermittent pick up problems. Fender needs to look into this. Other than that, it sounds great and looks even better. I bought the tobacco sunburst with rosewood fingerboard but replaced the pick guard with a 3 ply black one. Even more awesome now! I have not had to deal with the truss rod wheel yet but don't see how it will be an issue unless you constantly change string gauges or tuning.


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite-Pick up problems
Posted: Sun May 21, 2017 5:17 pm
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I just posted today May 21, 2017 a similar complaint about the Elite pickups..You had this problem in Oct 2016 ! I just had the same pickup problems on TWO guitars April 2017 !!. It lets me down a bit..thinking Fender corporate does not know the problem exists or it does know and does not care to address it.


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Wed May 24, 2017 5:47 pm
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awww this is the first electric guitar I ever bought, so I didn't 'think to think' of it as being ugly!! Now in terms of the useability of the truss rod system I will leave that to those who know something about it!! :) but don't go "dissing" my baby's looks! LOL!!!! :) :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 1:44 pm
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Congratulations @filmore . Great choice.
Can we have a bit of a review and some pictures please. How are those Noiseless Pups?


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:45 pm
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chromeface wrote:
The spoke-wheel truss-rod system is met with too many negative feedback, hope Fender deletes that feature from the Elites and reinstates the good ole BiFlex w/ MicroTilt.



See, everyone is different, I like it.

Here's what I don't like:

-I was perfectly happy with the little cut away on the "deluxe" models but I don't personally find the new style as comfy for some reason.
-I'm so sick of the S1 stuff, I wish they'd offer a non-S1 version.
-They've gotten way too expensive.

However, the necks are just spectacular imo.


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Post subject: Re: Tele American Elite
Posted: Sun Jun 04, 2017 4:46 pm
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WaymoreProta wrote:
Well I guess they picked it up from EVH design since Fender and EVH are in corporate now...


MM is big on that too.


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