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Post subject: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of aut
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 9:35 am
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Hi all. My name is Carlos from Spain. I'm not a musician,only begginer, but i love the vintage Fender guitars. I recently acquired a nice 1967 Telecaster, I think that is original 100%, except pickguard screws, and it has been unpainted. You can confirm the authenticity ?, approximate value ?. Thank you, I hope you enjoy it as much as me. Excuse me for my bad english. Greetings.

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Post subject: Re: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:02 am
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First of all, the Fenderforum and the Subefotos pages don't seem to work together - your large pics don't show (for some reason, the thumbnails do).
Seems to work if you right click the photo, choose "copy shortcut" and paste that address as an image:
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Second, you won't get confirmation on authenticity from the forum, but you get some educated (or less) guesses.

To me at first glance, (and emphasis on the "less educated") it seems legit.
I'll let the collector members of the forum make estimates on the value - it's a bit kinky, since the guitar's not exactly in mint condition. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 12:25 pm
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I'm sorry. Thanks "Jmattis". I think it has been repaired.
Obviously I hope opinions, not "certificate of authenticity". :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 1:17 pm
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I don't see anything that indicates that it's not legit. The fall of '67 was when the circuitry changed from one pickup at a time to having both pickups in the middle position. And it was also when the peghead logo changed from gold filled to black. Yours seem to have the second change, but not the first one. That seems perfectly reasonable.

However, that strip job, which looks to have been done while the neck and pickup attached... Ouch.
A good/great condition '67 tele can go for $5000-$7000, but with that strip job, half.


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Post subject: Re: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of
Posted: Sun Jan 24, 2016 11:07 pm
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Hi "arthl". You mean this ?. It is not a repair, are remnants of the original painting. Thanks again.
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Post subject: Re: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of
Posted: Mon Jan 25, 2016 10:04 am
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Tele1967 wrote:
Hi "arthl". You mean this ?. It is not a repair, are remnants of the original painting. Thanks again.
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Yes, that's what I mean. And I know it's not a repair - it's a bad strip job. If the neck and neck pickup had been removed before stripping it, those patches of paint would have been gone too.
So knowing that it has been subjected to an amateur strip job devalues it severely, in my opinion. Even if it gets "fixed", it will always have that history.

But it can still be a very nice and playable guitar, and I see no indications that it isn't real. Enjoy!


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Post subject: Re: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 5:05 am
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Hi Tele1967.
Looking at your photos, it looks like several things on your Tele appear not to be original.
Other things raise questions that cannot be immediately answered as to originality.
First, the "Fender " logo on the head stock does not appear to be original.

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It is possible that the top of the head stock was refinished at some point and an attempt was made to put a Fender logo on the head stock.
As you can see, the Fender logo is not straight and is angled toward the tuning pegs, with no evidence of "Telecaster" written on the head stock, or that it would even fit on the head stock, given the poor alignment of the logo.

Here is what the head stock logo should look like.

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Based on the date stamp, on this guitar neck, your guitar neck looks like it may have an actual 1968 date stamp.

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Your neck plate looks correct, except for how bright and shiny the plate is.

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If you look at the neck plate mounting screws, the top and bottom screws on the left side appear to be old, in contrast to the condition of the plate, or the other two screws, which have no rust.
Whether this plate and serial number is original to your guitar, or not, is open to question, and it would seem to me to be very doubtful that it is original to your guitar.

The bridge and bridge plate are also very bright and shiny, and appear to be replacement parts.

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In addition, the bridge saddles should look like these.

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Based on the pictures of your electronics, the components look like they could be from the '68 era.
The yellow capacitor is correct, but to date the pots, the writing on the pots in your picture is illegible, and the actual wiring does not appear to be correct.

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And this orange jumper wire on the switch is definitely not original.

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This is what the wiring should look like, except for an extra black ground wire was added to ground the bridge, which is soldered onto the volume pot.

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This is how you would try to date your pots.

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Finally, you provided the following picture of your bridge pickup, which does not show the covering of the windings.

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The pickup should look like this one.

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I hope this helps.

As to your guitar's value, I have no idea what your Telecaster might be worth, particularly in Spain, but I would suggest that based on the relatively poor condition of the guitar and lack of originality, that it would be valued far less than the guitar was valued in the post above.


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Post subject: Re: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:46 am
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Hi all. "MickJagger" thanks for your comments. At the moment i can't see your pics, photobucket is down for maintenance. Another neck and bridge pick up photo. I see evidence of "TELECASTER" quotation marks in a red circle and "Pat 2.5...." but I'm not an expert. When I'm able to see your photos, do you mind if I keep asking?.
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Post subject: Re: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 11:19 am
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It looks like your bridge pickup could be from 1967.
And the date code on the butt end of the neck appears to be correct, so the neck is probably a '67 neck.
When you are able to see the pictures I posted, I think you will be able to see why I believe the head stock was refinished and the logo re-applied, apparently a long time ago.

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The patent marking and the quotation marks (if that is what those marks are) that you have circled, both appear to be out of place regarding the location on the headstock, when compared to the picture of the '67 logo that I posted.
In fact, the 67 Logo did not use quotation marks around the "Telecaster" marking, if the black marks you circled are quotation marks.

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You can also see in your headstock picture, where the decal for "Telecaster" dropped down below the Fender logo, as the headstock lacquer finish has been preserved, and is not cracked, as is the finish is outside of the area of the decal outline.
The decal on the '67 Headstock should not dip down, but rather, should extend straight from the Fender logo, where the Telecaster marking would be located.


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Post subject: Re: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 12:58 pm
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Hi again. Something else. The date that the pots have stamped is 6631, Is that correct?. I think the logo that my guitar has on the neck is the following, but with the golden colour darkned because of the time, which I think was used in 1966-1967, what do you think? . Greetings.
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Post subject: Re: Presentation, Show you my Telecaster and confirmation of
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:30 pm
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I think that the 31st week of 1966, stamped "6631," is a reasonable date for potentiometers used in December 1967.

Second, I believe that the Transitional Logo was changed to this one in 1967.

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I think that the Fender logo you are showing was used in '66 and also through some point in '67.
By December, 1967, the logo change should have been made, but it's quite possible that Fender used one of the previous logos on your neck, as shown in your pictures.
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I do think that your neck is probably from December 1967.
And I guess it may be possible that the Fender logo letters could have darkened to the degree shown on your headstock.

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Here is a current USA retail price for a "Masterbuilt," Custom Shop, 1967 Telecaster, that appears to be in mint condition.
https://wildwestguitars.com/electric/fe ... ster-relic

Here is another article regarding a unique 1967 Telecaster that has the new Transitional Fender Logo.
http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/2 ... glers-tele


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