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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 2:22 pm
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All Time Favorite Bono/U2 True (Maybe/Possibly) Story:
In the early/mid '80's, Bono's admiring himself by glomming his way through a slew of new U2 videos on late night TV, when he happens across a rare broadcast of Captain Beefheart's first, last and only (rejected by) MTV video, Ice Cream for Crow. Intrigued by the avant-garde nature of the music and video (and Beefheart's assertion, "I don't want my MTV, since they won't play my video!") he decides to contact Capt. Don about doing a spoken word portion on a new U2 track already in production.
So the famous rock star frontman reaches out to the little-known, enigmatic artiste by sending the good Captain a telegram, the only way to contact him at his trailer in the Mojave desert, and invites him to do just that. The response?
"Dear Bongo, I'd be delighted."
Needless to say, Beefheart never appeared on any of U2's records.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Mon Feb 01, 2016 4:09 pm
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nyquilcoma wrote:
"Dear Bongo, I'd be delighted."


:lol:

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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Tue Feb 02, 2016 9:43 am
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nyquilcoma wrote:
The response?
"Dear Bongo, I'd be delighted."
Needless to say, Beefheart never appeared on any of U2's records.


It could have been worse.
"Dear Sonny, I'd be delighted."


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Thu Feb 04, 2016 10:14 pm
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IMHO "signature" guitars are for wannabes living in the vague hope of emulating their favorite players.
Isn't it all supposed to be about originality, personality, versatility and developing your own "signature" sound?
Unless of course you happen to play in a "covers" or "tribute" band... ahem!
Having said that, a mediocre player, after having purchased a "clone" of his favorite artist might just be inspired enough to gain the confidence to reach his goal.
There's an old saying that "A bad tradesman always blames his tools".
I've also seen a lot of good tradesmen with crappy tools doing a bad job in my lifetime.

Remember: In this commercial world we know as "the music business" there are far more sheep than shepherds so it sells and therefore makes good marketing sense.
I don't begrudge instrument manufacturers the right to capitalize on the successful use of their product by their customers.
Do you?
Think for a moment about how the automotive industry capitalizes on race car drivers.
Everyone has to put food on the table somehow.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 7:42 am
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AussiePicker wrote:
IMHO "signature" guitars are for wannabes living in the vague hope of emulating their favorite players.
Isn't it all supposed to be about originality, personality, versatility and developing your own "signature" sound?
Unless of course you happen to play in a "covers" or "tribute" band... ahem!
Having said that, a mediocre player, after having purchased a "clone" of his favorite artist might just be inspired enough to gain the confidence to reach his goal.
There's an old saying that "A bad tradesman always blames his tools".
I've also seen a lot of good tradesmen with crappy tools doing a bad job in my lifetime.

Remember: In this commercial world we know as "the music business" there are far more sheep than shepherds so it sells and therefore makes good marketing sense.
I don't begrudge instrument manufacturers the right to capitalize on the successful use of their product by their customers.
Do you?
Think for a moment about how the automotive industry capitalizes on race car drivers.
Everyone has to put food on the table somehow.


So you would never play a Les Paul then? Of course, the LP has transcended being an Artist Signature model and is an archetype in it's own right, spawning "Signature signatures" like the Jimmy Page LP, various Joe Perry LPs, etc. that would probably fall into your definition of the "wannabes".

As far as Fender's various Artist Signature Strats the early ones had unique features that would make them more than just for wannabes/copiers - like the mid-boost on the Clapton, the big neck on the Beck, etc. At the given price, I'm afraid the Edge Signature is going to fall into the "wannabe" category - it's just not going to be that far away from an American Standard in terms of the feature set. As long as you don't care about the contoured neck heel you can add all the other features of the Edge model to and American Standard and still come up spending less money:

Fender locking tuners - $50 (approximately)
DiMarzio DS-1 pickup - $50
American Deluxe Trem - $120
American Deluxe Trem Arm - $28 (and can be had for a lot less)

So you take the $1,299 American Standard, add the differences ($250) and you're still at $1,550 - which is $249 less than the Edge Strat, plus you have the 22nd fret on your neck. Assuming you can wire in the pickup yourself - for me, I would just add the tuners and the pickup, pay a tech for the soldering, and bypass the trem swap.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Feb 05, 2016 5:38 pm
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In my opinion Signature guitars lost all their meaning / credibility when Squier brought out the Avril Lavigne Tele several years back.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Sun Feb 07, 2016 2:05 pm
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mhainz wrote:
In my opinion Signature guitars lost all their meaning / credibility when Squier brought out the Avril Lavigne Tele several years back.

Not the Elvis Kingman? Elvis can be remembered for many things, but his guitarmanship is not one of them. He would strum a couple of chords in his early days, but after that, a guitar was just a prop for him. At least Avril Lavigne does play, even if some wish she didn't.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 1:42 am
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So you would never play a Les Paul then? Of course, the LP has transcended being an Artist Signature model and is an archetype in it's own right, spawning "Signature signatures" like the Jimmy Page LP, various Joe Perry LPs, etc. that would probably fall into your definition of the "wannabes".

I've played plenty of LPs over the years but have formed the analogy thus: There are GM devotees, and there are Ford devotees - then Mopar deviants.
One product offers the simple basic five "colors", the other gives us the whole color spectrum to play with.
As any artist would agree, there are more than five colors to a masterpiece.
At least 50 shades of "grey" perhaps.
I can't get that out of a LP.
Therefore I prefer to exist and play in a world that offers me the most potential to experiment and develop my own "signature" sound.
My pallette is satiated by the tonal variations available with Fender product.
No, I don't own a LP, but I own several Fender auditory devices.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Feb 12, 2016 10:27 am
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AussiePicker wrote:
I've played plenty of LPs over the years but have formed the analogy thus: There are GM devotees, and there are Ford devotees - then Mopar deviants.
One product offers the simple basic five "colors", the other gives us the whole color spectrum to play with.
As any artist would agree, there are more than five colors to a masterpiece.
At least 50 shades of "grey" perhaps.
I can't get that out of a LP.
Therefore I prefer to exist and play in a world that offers me the most potential to experiment and develop my own "signature" sound.
My pallette is satiated by the tonal variations available with Fender product.
No, I don't own a LP, but I own several Fender auditory devices.

Come again? If anything, there is far more variation in Gibsons than Fenders, and especially so for the Les Paul.
You have LP Special, Junior, Studio, LPJ, LPM, Futura, Traditional, Deluxe, Supreme and countless others. In hundreds of finishes.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:10 am
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I'll clarify: I have far more tonal/pickup combinations on say a Strat than a LP.
Then there's tremolo and a plethora of coil tap combinations if fitted.
I can get this out of one guitar.
I can't get the same variations/combinations on a LP.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 5:28 am
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AussiePicker wrote:
I'll clarify: I have far more tonal/pickup combinations on say a Strat than a LP.
Then there's tremolo and a plethora of coil tap combinations if fitted.
I can get this out of one guitar.
I can't get the same variations/combinations on a LP.

FYI, an LP Standard comes with individual coil splitting, reverse phase and true bypass as standard. With two volume knobs and two tone knobs. You're already way ahead of the Strat.
As for "if fitted", that goes for any guitar. From Gibson, you can get LPs with P90s, triple pickups, single pickup, and a number of different humbuckers. You can get them with tune-o-matic, wrap-around or lyre tail bridges, and with bigsby, floyd rose or maestro vibrato.

There's nothing wrong with preferring a Strat to a Les Paul. But if you want to criticize the Les Paul, you need to know a little about the instrument. You don't.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:55 am
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you need to know a little about the instrument. You don't.


Really? My old Les Paul Standard didn't have the bells and whistles of the modern jobbies (thank the Lord), and I imagine that's the model our Aussie mate is talking about. Yes, I could get many sounds out of it by varying the separate volumes/tones, but with more of a faff, in my opinion. Anyway, it's a totally different instrument and neither will ever sound like the other, will it?

My problem was that I was 6' when I started playing it, and 5'10" when I finished!

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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Sat Feb 13, 2016 9:57 pm
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The Edge is a great guitarist. U2 has sold a lot of records. That said isn't it just an American Special in his hands? I would have thought we would have got an actual American Series 70s Signature considering that is what he usually plays. We could have built that in the Design Experience.

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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 10:09 am
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I'm a half-fan of U2. I absolutely love half of their songs, and detest the remain half (I feel the same way about REM and the Beatles, too...don't judge me...or do judge me--I don't care).

I digress.

Either way, I usually associate Edge with a Gibson Explorer or a hollowbody of some sort, even though I've seen multiple pics of him with a Strat.

His playing style and his rig (effects pedals, specifically) make it difficult (nigh impossible) to determine what type of guitar he's playing.

He's got so many delays (and other effects) running that he could be playing anything from a Parker Fly to a Bohemian Oil Can to an ES355, and nobody could tell the difference.

As far as Signature model guitars--I don't oppose them, per se. I would play a Jimmie Vaughan Strat or a Danny Gatton Tele without hesitation, not due to sycophantic admiration (I'm a big fan of the former, a reserved admirer of the latter), but due to the fact that they're both good guitars with features I like.

I love the neck on the SRV Strat and the looks of the Waylon Jennings Telecaster. I would like one of the Billy Gibbons Goldtop Les Paul models, based on looks alone.

I would not buy or play one of the relic'd CS Artist models (whatever they're called) that has every nick, scratch and fart mark of the original...that is just a bit too weird and poseuristic in my humble opinion.

As far as Signature models, why hasn't a Doyle Bramhall II or Tab Benoit version been offered?
Both have distinctive Fender instruments and distinctive playing styles, and both would be good ambassadors for the brand (Rock/Blues in the former, Louisiana Swamp Cajun Soul/Blues in the latter)...

Oh, that's right, they're not pop stars...
Also, didn't Bono and Edge get positions on the board of FMIC? Maybe that's why we have the Bono Gretsch and the Adam Clayton bass and the Edge Strat...

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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 2:19 pm
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I get doing signature models for artist that had /have their special sound, such as Waylon Jennings and his Tele, Knopfler, SRV, Clapton etc...you can recognize these artists by first two notes they play in the song, those are the ones deserving signature models.
How can you recognize Edge? By the wool cap on his head?


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