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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Wed Sep 09, 2015 12:46 pm
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but is he a good enough player to deserve a signature model?


I agree with John, where this has more to do with popularity, and being a player with recognizable style than it has to do with how good a player is. And the Edge certainly has accomplished this. Much like Alex Lifeson, (who IMHO is a great guitarist), the Edge has quite a lot to do with what has made U2 sound like U2. no one else would "fit".

Although I'm by no way a fan of anything U2 has done, I do respect WHAT they have done. (much like the Stones, don't like em, but appreciate their contribution to rock and roll)


Yes... it's all about popularity.

If you don't know the player, or like the player, you're not going to buy a guitar associated with him.

This is why you'll never see a Herman Ri or Dimebag signature Strat.

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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 6:34 am
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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 9:12 pm
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I have no interest in an Edge signature Strat, but I guess I'll be the only one to say I think he is a brilliant guitarist who created his own sound without relying on blues-based cliches. He's also the primary composer in one of the most critically-acclaimed and commercially successful bands in history.

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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:43 am
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BadScooter wrote:
I have no interest in an Edge signature Strat, but I guess I'll be the only one to say I think he is a brilliant guitarist who created his own sound without relying on blues-based cliches. He's also the primary composer in one of the most critically-acclaimed and commercially successful bands in history.


100% agreed!

And IMHO it is about time that Fender finally creates a signature guitar for him. They should also honor guitar players inventing a unique style with one of their guitars rather than just look onto who plays the guitars fastest/coolest/you name it. And The Edge certainly is such a player creating a unique style with the guitar and the effects. So to me theres nothing wrong with a signature guitar.

Time will tell, romours say a signature guitar could be imminent.

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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:08 pm
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Surely the decision to release a signature Strat is purely a commercial one for Fender? It's more about the size of the market for the instrument than any measure of the artists talent, creativity, individuality, longevity, etc. The bigger question for me would be what does the guitar offer? Why buy it? (Other than to look like a wannabe).

To me it has to offer something more than a signature; I don't see that as an advantage. I've never been interested by signature models as such - just the specifications they offer. I was tempted by Gibson's Zappa SG, but unfortunately it was only available in cherry (not surprisingly, as a replica), a colour I'm not fond of. Though I'd be happy enough to have a Bill Bailey signature model, if there was any chance it would make me sound as funny as him. :D (Which, sadly, there isn't)


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 12:25 am
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Avril Lavigne has a signature guitar, and you think the Dave Edmonds shouldn't? Please.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Tue Jan 26, 2016 8:12 am
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Of course it's all about fame and not about guitar talent or chops.
Case in point: Both Elvis Presley and Hello Kitty have signature Fender guitars.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 3:39 am
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Inevitably we drift to the question of signature models as a concept! Personally I haven't bought one for 2 reasons:
1. I'm proud to play like me; I don't want to pretend to be someone else (or have other people think I do) and have their name on my headstock.
2. I don't want to pay extra for a guitar so that Fender can give it to the artiste for their endorsement.

And how accurate are they anyway? Having seen him/it, Jeff Beck's stage Strat doesn't look to me much like the signature model. Most glaring difference is his Wilkinson nut. Not sure about p/ups either?

And I really can't imagine anyone buying an EXACT replica of Rory's, with all it's repairs/mods/idiosyncrasies...!


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:41 am
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Peter S wrote:
Inevitably we drift to the question of signature models as a concept! Personally I haven't bought one for 2 reasons:
1. I'm proud to play like me; I don't want to pretend to be someone else (or have other people think I do) and have their name on my headstock.
2. I don't want to pay extra for a guitar so that Fender can give it to the artiste for their endorsement.

And how accurate are they anyway? Having seen him/it, Jeff Beck's stage Strat doesn't look to me much like the signature model. Most glaring difference is his Wilkinson nut. Not sure about p/ups either?

And I really can't imagine anyone buying an EXACT replica of Rory's, with all it's repairs/mods/idiosyncrasies...!


I'm pretty much with you there 100%, however...

A lot of the signature models have really great specifications and would, I am sure, sell without the immediate link to an artist. But it is easier to define the guitar with that association.

The "basic" Clapton Strats are defined by their mid boost circuits and neck profile. Many may/will have bought examples for no other reason than that, irrespective of the big man's signature. It is easier to define the guitar as an EC though and (in respect of the mid boost) it may aid to getting closer to an EC sound if that is what you want to achieve. It will also help it retain a value over a non signature Strat of a similar age. So, in that respect, it does work and is perhaps not a bad thing.

There has been a lot of discussion of the latest Jimi's. "They aren't accurate!" people cry. Indeed; but they have the elements which might assist in getting the sound, if that is what you want.

Where things do get a bit freaky though are the full on Custom Shop reproductions; accurate to every knock, blemish and snot residue. These are no longer instruments to make music but, at best, works of art. I accept there are collectors who would love to own "Blackie" or "Brownie" or what ever, but can't. To them a Custom Shop Artist guitar might be the next best thing. While they are far from cheap they are a fraction of the cost of the original, even if you could buy it. But, I'm not convinced that having a 1:1 scale reproduction of such items has much point aside in relation to a semi religious artefact in a shrine to said artist. To this end I find it a bit creepy.

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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:16 pm
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The Edge Strat was at winter Namm hanging on the wall next to Jimi's Strat at the Fender booth. Nothing fancy about this guitar and it is not a custom shop edition.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 3:38 am
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John Sims wrote:
A lot of the signature models have really great specifications and would, I am sure, sell without the immediate link to an artist.


Agreed, John. You're just paying the artiste!

The 'unconnected' Strat Deluxe, after all, is similar to the JB, but cheaper. And, with its compound radius 'board and S1 stuff, must be more expensive to make? Even when you discount the missing LSR nut on the SSS versions.

Cheers - Peter.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:16 am
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Peter S wrote:
John Sims wrote:
A lot of the signature models have really great specifications and would, I am sure, sell without the immediate link to an artist.


Agreed, John. You're just paying the artiste!

The 'unconnected' Strat Deluxe, after all, is similar to the JB, but cheaper. And, with its compound radius 'board and S1 stuff, must be more expensive to make? Even when you discount the missing LSR nut on the SSS versions.

Cheers - Peter.


Not in the USA; American Deluxes were $1,699; their replacements, the American Elites, are $1,799. The Jeff Beck is still listed at $1,599. However, the new Edge Strat is $1,799.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:51 am
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Avril Lavigne has a signature guitar, and you think that Dave Edmunds shouldn't? Please.


Dave Edmunds has long been a favorite player of mine.
Widely diverse in both his knowledge of music and of playing styles-from speeded up classical to blues to rockabilly to country to pop.
Following his heart surgery several years ago, he took two years off from recording and performing and devoted his time to accurately learning Merle Travis-style finger picking. Saw him on that solo tour-quite convincing.
Unfortunately, Dave never sold nearly as many records as either U2 or Avril Lavigne, so...sorry Dave, no signature guitar for you.


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 8:57 am
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Are some of the U2 members on the Fender board? If so, that explains why there is an Edge guitar and amp. :D


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Post subject: Re: The Edge Signature Stratocaster?
Posted: Sat Jan 30, 2016 9:49 am
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Not in the USA; American Deluxes were $1,699; their replacements, the American Elites, are $1,799. The Jeff Beck is still listed at $1,599. However, the new Edge Strat is $1,799.[/quote]

Strange! Across the pond, JB's are always over £1500; Deluxes are now around £1100 but even at full price were usually less than a couple of hundred more.

Deluxes are pretty good value, I think, at current prices - even in GB where we're used to paying in £ what you pay in $!


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