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Post subject: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 12:06 pm
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Need some help, I recently bought an '83 Stratocaster Elite from a pawn shop. Needed work, I put an original Fender neck on it...BUT, it is missing a potentiometer. It is the mid boost 50K linear, original Fender part number 021684 000. I am guessing this only made for two years? I can not find one, can anyone help with this? Possibly an alternative even? The pot is completely gone, has been rewired accordingly, I have the schematic so hopefully I can fix the mess if I can get the part. Thanks in advance for any help, advice....


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 1:31 pm
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Allparts carries them so should LMI and others

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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Thu Aug 20, 2015 2:40 pm
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53magnatone wrote:
Allparts carries them so should LMI and others


I can find the 50K, but this potentiometer is different, looked at allparts, they had a 50, but not the right one....


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:43 am
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This one? 50 K split shaft pot

The part number is 0021682000, googling it gives darrenriley.com, angela.com, guitar-parts.com as the three first links of 495 total.


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:22 am
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jmattis wrote:
This one? 50 K split shaft pot

The part number is 0021682000, googling it gives darrenriley.com, angela.com, guitar-parts.com as the three first links of 495 total.

I am going to double check, but "I think" that part number is the original number for the volume control pot for this 83 Elite. Will get back to you on it. I have been looking for about 3 months, getting a bit frustrating..


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 7:40 am
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abrookey wrote:
jmattis wrote:
This one? 50 K split shaft pot

The part number is 0021682000, googling it gives darrenriley.com, angela.com, guitar-parts.com as the three first links of 495 total.

I am going to double check, but "I think" that part number is the original number for the volume control pot for this 83 Elite. Will get back to you on it. I have been looking for about 3 months, getting a bit frustrating..

I just double checked my 1983 parts list from Fender, that number is the number for the volume control pot, won't work for the mid boost. Sure hope there is someone out there that has some old stuff around, because it's starting to look like the part I need isn't around any more, think it was only made for 2 years. Another option is to just buy a loaded pick guard, keep the original stuff, just in case???


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:02 pm
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I looked at the Elite manual and the wiring diagram, and if I understand correctly, that pot I suggested is "audio" ("logarithmic") taper, and you need a 50K "linear" pot - and it should even have the detent for "standard Fender sound"..?
Maybe you could contact CTS - their 450G series datasheet lists a helluvalot of possibilities, embellished with the omnipotent(ial) "Please consult factory for custom features not listed." :wink:

Other choices are ebay (&such), local old mom&pop stores etc. You have asked Fender, right..?


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 12:37 pm
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jmattis wrote:
I looked at the Elite manual and the wiring diagram, and if I understand correctly, that pot I suggested is "audio" ("logarithmic") taper, and you need a 50K "linear" pot - and it should even have the detent for "standard Fender sound"..?
Maybe you could contact CTS - their 450G series datasheet lists a helluvalot of possibilities, embellished with the omnipotent(ial) "Please consult factory for custom features not listed." :wink:

Other choices are ebay (&such), local old mom&pop stores etc. You have asked Fender, right..?


I have talked to Fender a few times, they haven't had the one I need for some time. They gave me a few suggestions to contact, but no luck. I have no idea of any 'mom and pop' places to contact. Worse case scenario is I might just have to take it all off and replace it with a loaded pick guard..This is all new to me, but I would think someone out there would have something. One old timer told me this particular pot is a problem child, it took him 6 months to find a good one, think he wanted me to send him my stuff so he could re wire it. I have to guess that would not be cheap. Whu is this one so different? what does mid boost mean? Linear? Is it because of the pick ups?


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 1:59 pm
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abrookey wrote:
what does mid boost mean? Linear? Is it because of the pick ups?


The Elite was used as a template for the Eric Clapton Strat.
It had an active preamp built into it, as does the Eric Clapton Strat to this day.
The mid boost will be to do with the preamp.


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:04 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
abrookey wrote:
what does mid boost mean? Linear? Is it because of the pick ups?


The Elite was used as a template for the Eric Clapton Strat.
It had an active preamp built into it, as does the Eric Clapton Strat to this day.
The mid boost will be to do with the preamp.


Ok, makes sense now, so if for now I want to put in a loaded pickguard, I will also need to take out the circuit board as well. A shame, would much prefer to keep it original.....


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 2:38 pm
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WRT to the 50K linear pot, is this of any use http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/pot-split-shaf ... 1063-p.asp ?


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Fri Aug 21, 2015 4:34 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
WRT to the 50K linear pot, is this of any use http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/pot-split-shaf ... 1063-p.asp ?

I am not sure, I sent them an email, to find out. Just FYI, you have no idea how much I appreciate your help, going out of your way like you are, truly appreciate it. Will let you know asap. Again, THANK YOU !!!!!!!


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:03 am
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stratmangler wrote:
The Elite was used as a template for the Eric Clapton Strat.
It had an active preamp built into it, as does the Eric Clapton Strat to this day.
The mid boost will be to do with the preamp.


The Elites were the forerunners for many signature and select models featuring active electronics.

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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:33 am
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abrookey wrote:
stratmangler wrote:
WRT to the 50K linear pot, is this of any use http://www.wdmusic.co.uk/pot-split-shaf ... 1063-p.asp ?

I am not sure, I sent them an email, to find out.

I'm no expert on the guitar electronics branch, so proceed with caution. But, I'd guess the guitar (TBX/MBX section) can't tell the difference between different 50K linear pots, they only do one thing. And, since you are in the "pot missing since day1" situation, you don't even have the muscle memory for that detent spot.

If all else fails and you have to replace all electronics, the Deluxe Powerhouse Strat diagram may come in handy - it has a dummy coil and a PCboard, like the Elite.


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Post subject: Re: 1983 Strat Elite
Posted: Sat Aug 22, 2015 3:48 am
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The Powerhouse shares the same PCB as the Elites and some Artist signature models with the only difference being the pair of resistors for gain reduction.

jmattis wrote:
I'm no expert on the guitar electronics branch, so proceed with caution. But, I'd guess the guitar (TBX/MDX section) can't tell the difference between different 50K linear pots, they only do one thing. And, since you are in the "pot missing since day1" situation, you don't even have the muscle memory for that detent spot.

If all else fails and you have to replace all electronics, the Deluxe Powerhouse Strat diagram may come in handy - it has a dummy coil and a PCB like the Elite.


We have our venerable electronics gurus Martian and Andy Bighair for that kind of frustration!


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