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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 3:13 am
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Would I be correct in assuming a stereo socket is used in the clapton to effectively grounding the negative of the battery when a mono jack is inserted and in doing so turning the circuit on ... the ring and the sleeve then being connected? :D


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 6:26 am
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jimmy_james wrote:
Would I be correct in assuming a stereo socket is used in the clapton to effectively grounding the negative of the battery when a mono jack is inserted and in doing so turning the circuit on ... the ring and the sleeve then being connected? :D

Perzacktly! :D

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 8:44 am
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Never bad mouthed fender's flagship guitar. Simply asked a question about the output jack and whether folks have had any thoughts about it.


Allow me to refresh your fifteen kilobyte memory......

"The guy i used to take my gear to ( a well renowned luthier) said that the design of it was crap and made it prone to these problems and loosening up over time with all the plugging in and unplugging. And when you look at it it seems flimsy compared to the Tele jack and Les Paul's and the like."

Go pound sand on a beach loaded with half-wit whiners like yourself.

Arjay

The guy i took my gear to said that. I remain pretty much neutral on the subject. But when i was getting a bit of noise and cutting in and out of the jack i was reminded of what he said about the design and wanted to hear others opinions.

I expect them to be courteous and not loaded with troll like snide comments. But as i say the people at fender who run this forum should really take a look at people like you and maybe think about a ban of 3 to 6 months to make you have a re-think about the way you address people. It's only the internet but your attitude is pretty bad. I expect a beginner would maybe read stuff like this and if they were thinking of joining and asking questions they'd say "No way i'm joining to be spoken to like that!"

Have a think to yourself.


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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 9:37 am
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It's only the internet but your attitude is pretty bad.


You can always move back to Sunnybrook Farm, Rebecca.

Unicorns and rainbows all day long, gingerbread cookies with every meal, and a tiny leprechaun who'll live in your guitar case and keep that mis-designed output jack tight.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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Retroverbial wrote:
GorgonIsBack wrote:
It's only the internet but your attitude is pretty bad.


You can always move back to Sunnybrook Farm, Rebecca.

Unicorns and rainbows all day long, gingerbread cookies with every meal, and a tiny leprechaun who'll live in your guitar case and keep that mis-designed output jack tight.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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For goodness sake Gorgon' (polite version), give it up.

It is an interesting topic that many have contributed to and, I assume, some have found interesting.

Just throwing in a question and then ranting about the answers and picking on long standing contributors doesn't do you any favours. If you think that people here are antagonistic you should to try your hand in the Ultimate Guitar forum if you really want to have a good lashing. The Fender forum is extremely refined and polite by comparison.

I have been very impressed by the moderation here as well. There is/appears to be no censoring of comments negative to Fender products which, I assume, is beneficial to Fender themselves. All then receive an honest assessment by those using Fender produced instruments, including Fender.

If the forum was to ban/suspend/put on moderation contributors who are less tolerant of others ill-conceived comments the next stage would be anything anti Fender. Had this been the case your original post would have been removed before any of us even had a chance to comment.

You suggest that you are a long standing lurker - you enjoy the fruits of others wisdom without contributing yourself. How does that help the forum?

I will be the first to admit that I have posted some pretty stupid comments. But, through those comments, others have had the opportunity to put people on the right track. IMHO this has done more good than saying nothing at all.

Welcome back, and thank you for your initial question. I have found others opinions interesting. I am sure your luthier to the rich and famous is a great guy. I have no doubt he knows a great deal about many things and not being able to tighten a Strat jack plug socket properly shouldn't be held against him.

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:06 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
GorgonIsBack wrote:
It's only the internet but your attitude is pretty bad.


You can always move back to Sunnybrook Farm, Rebecca.

Unicorns and rainbows all day long, gingerbread cookies with every meal, and a tiny leprechaun who'll live in your guitar case and keep that mis-designed output jack tight.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Arjay

Ah well it's ok for you to dish it out but if i retaliate and actually give you what you deserve then i'll be the bad guy. As i say you over the years i've been on this forum you have had an appalling ignorant and condescending attitude to both people's questions and opinions. You need to go away and look at yourself in the mirror and ask yourself why you need to act that way. Is there something missing in your personality or your psyche where you feel you have to resort to belittling people and verbally abusing them over a forum? Does it make you feel smugly superior and that gives you a charge? If so i truly feel sorry for you.


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Just throwing in a question and then ranting about the answers and picking on long standing contributors doesn't do you any favours.

I never ranted about any answers John. I commented on Arjay's rudeness and the way he addresses people in this forum. This is not a new thing as i have said. He's been doing this and getting away with it for years. As i say it undoubtedly would put off many newbs and beginners from joining and commenting.

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You suggest that you are a long standing lurker - you enjoy the fruits of others wisdom without contributing yourself. How does that help the forum?

No a lurker would be someone who browsed the forum but didn't join it. I joined years ago under the name Gorgon and had loads of ideas and suggestions. I was driven away because of people like Arjay who are ignorant, elitist and snobby in their opinions and who like to dish out the treatment but then when they get it back they're not so keen.

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I have found others opinions interesting. I am sure your luthier to the rich and famous is a great guy. I have no doubt he knows a great deal about many things and not being able to tighten a Strat jack plug socket properly shouldn't be held against him.

Who said he couldn't tighten a strat jack properly? He builds guitars for world renowned rockers, folk artists everything. He simply made a remark that strat jacks were not a great design in his opinion.


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Posted: Wed Jul 08, 2015 11:19 am
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I looked up the phrase "hysterical obsession" in my Funk & Wagnall's and I saw your picture.

If you're so irritated at me and my very existence, why don't you simply "foe" me and move along?

I can think of a number of more gratifying pursuits for you such as chasing down the Good Humor truck to treat yourself to a popsicle, inventorying your vast collection of Lego blocks, or finally writing that letter to the producer of Sesame Street to insist that Kermit propose to Miss Piggy.

:lol:

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Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:49 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
I looked up the phrase "hysterical obsession" in my Funk & Wagnall's and I saw your picture.

If you're so irritated at me and my very existence, why don't you simply "foe" me and move along?

I can think of a number of more gratifying pursuits for you such as chasing down the Good Humor truck to treat yourself to a popsicle, inventorying your vast collection of Lego blocks, or finally writing that letter to the producer of Sesame Street to insist that Kermit propose to Miss Piggy.

:lol:

Arjay

I suggest an enema for you Arjay as you're so full of it it's coming out your mouth now! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 8:59 am
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Just before I unsubscribe to this droll thread...

I'd like to point out that you (gorgon) seem less interested in the answers to your questions about your Clapton Strat...than baiting Arjay...for whatever reason.

You could be a welcome contributor here...but this has gone on too long by half.

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 9:11 am
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danagos wrote:
Just before I unsubscribe to this droll thread...

I'd like to point out that you (gorgon) seem less interested in the answers to your questions about your Clapton Strat...than baiting Arjay...for whatever reason.

You could be a welcome contributor here...but this has gone on too long by half.

I think my friend, if you study the thread closely, you'll find it's been the exact opposite.


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:08 am
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No... Gorgon,you are being a gorgon. You might want to heed your own advice and observation as to when a Noob looks in, they would be turned off by the negativity.....

Of which you seem obsessed to keep spewing...
Get real, be productive and objective if you are going to be critical.
We can throw jabs at each other every so often, but your MO is more Troll than Jester... :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 11:26 am
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No... Gorgon,you are being a gorgon. You might want to heed your own advice and observation as to when a Noob looks in, they would be turned off by the negativity.....

Of which you seem obsessed to keep spewing...
Get real, be productive and objective if you are going to be critical.
We can throw jabs at each other every so often, but your MO is more Troll than Jester... :roll:

Study the thread and i think you'll find the vast majority of the barbs were thrown by Mr Retroverbial. Taking the piss out of the luthiers viewpoint and then insulting me in every post after that.


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 2:10 pm
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I did read the thread several times... Arjay baited you and you couldn't resist to escalate it. However you yourself opened that dodo... (edit: door ) initially with your introductory post..

You could have just said that the jack unit was not reliable,as it often loosens up. Instead you called it crap instead of staying on the high road and asking wether there was something missing on it's install.
Then you've repeatedly exulted your luthier of the stars ( Juvenile at best ). It is irrelevant and becomes annoying especially to a lot of us here who are actually capable of building instruments from scratch.
Just to cut off the argument, I don't consider myself a luthier although a craftsman woodworker I would and have the resume to back it up...
A luthier is a skilled craftsman who can create a violin, Lute, Archtop, D28, a Strat or a Les Paul or any instrument from a cache of fine woods and other materials.
Most people you take your guitar to are techs who basically disassemble and reassemble guitars. A few are skilled in resetting necks and general repairs... But to become a luthier, that is an earned recognition thru a long apprenticeship and customer feedback.....

Some of us " Gorgon who hath returned ", would just appreciate a thread based on a healthy argument. ( If the definition of argument eludes you, please do look it up.... We are all welcome to voice our opinions, but not when they resemble who can clear the tallest weeds....

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Thu Jul 09, 2015 6:17 pm
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53magnatone wrote:
I did read the thread several times... Arjay baited you and you couldn't resist to escalate it. However you yourself opened that dodo... (edit: door ) initially with your introductory post..

No not at all read on to find out why.

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You could have just said that the jack unit was not reliable,as it often loosens up. Instead you called it crap instead of staying on the high road and asking wether there was something missing on it's install.
Then you've repeatedly exulted your luthier of the stars ( Juvenile at best ). It is irrelevant and becomes annoying especially to a lot of us here who are actually capable of building instruments from scratch.
Just to cut off the argument, I don't consider myself a luthier although a craftsman woodworker I would and have the resume to back it up...
A luthier is a skilled craftsman who can create a violin, Lute, Archtop, D28, a Strat or a Les Paul or any instrument from a cache of fine woods and other materials.
Most people you take your guitar to are techs who basically disassemble and reassemble guitars. A few are skilled in resetting necks and general repairs... But to become a luthier, that is an earned recognition thru a long apprenticeship and customer feedback.....

First of all i never said the design was crap. Again, you might have read the thread but you have not paid attention to what you're reading and have not noted it.

Second point the luthier i took my guitars too is indeed a luthier not just a guitar assembler as you seem to be implying. He designs and builds his own custom guitars and takes orders from customers to build whatever they want. So your point of view there is patronizing and completely wrong.

No the fact remains that i asked some pertinent questions and was insulted and baited by a person who has quite a history of doing this with people on the forum. It would be interesting to find out how many newbies that he's driven away from fender with his attitude.


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 12:35 am
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GorgonIsBack wrote:

The guy i used to take my gear to ( a well renowned luthier) said that the design of it was crap and made it prone to these problems and loosening up over time with all the plugging in and unplugging. And when you look at it it seems flimsy compared to the Tele jack and Les Paul's and the like.


You started a flame war with this and then kept escalating when Retroverbial called you on your responses. You do (did) this a lot, not just here so a holier than thou attitude and feigning innocence doesn't cut it...

When we post certain comments and hearsay on a forum of what we sometimes believe to be correct we get called on it. One of the reasons many Fender Forumites have left is because of this type of nonsense.
Call it what you will or whatever you wish to believe, but when you fire back in kind, or escalate then you become part of the nonsense..
Backing up a statement with facts when questioned about veracity should be the norm, it just makes for a better Forum, not a Facebook farce... :?:

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