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Post subject: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 5:46 pm
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For a while while playing when i turn a certain way i have been getting a kind of crunching like when you touch the end of a cable with the other end in your amp. Anyway i took a look at the output jack and everything appears to be making a solid connection. I played it tonight to test it again by grabbing the barrel of the cable and moving it side to side and that's when it happens. There doesn't appear to be any play in it though. I've been playing my Telecaster all the time lately but want to start using my EC strat again however output jack woes are a pain in the butt.

This brings up the issue of the strat output jack design; is it a problematic design? because i've had problems before with a strat or two down the years but never with any other guitars. :?:

The guy i used to take my gear to ( a well renowned luthier) said that the design of it was crap and made it prone to these problems and loosening up over time with all the plugging in and unplugging. And when you look at it it seems flimsy compared to the Tele jack and Les Paul's and the like.


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:23 pm
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I've never had a problem with a Strat jack. I did have a problem once with my Stagemaster and it had a Tele style jack. The jack was worn to the point where I could have the cable looped through the strap and just the weight of the plug would cause it to fall out of the jack. A quick bend with the fingers and the jack was tight enough to securely hold the plug. Could be something like that or a grounding issue.


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 1:50 am
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I actually consider Leo's jack socket location design to be one of the best in that he intended, if you stood on the lead, the lead would pull out cleanly without breaking anything. I accept that most of us loop though the strap but, even then it is out of the way and puts minimum force on the socket.

If you are having issues simply remove the two screws and pinch the lugs in a bit tighter. Even this is a more convenient than getting to the back of the socket on most other designs.

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:26 am
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The idiot tests (sorry, but that's what they're called):
Faulty cable.
Loose nut on the socket.

If those are OK, there's probably a bad solder joint, or the wire is broken, or the lugs are bent.

With the exception of the low end models (Affinity, Bullet...) with their sub-par wires, there's usually no problems with Strat jack sockets - once you take care the nut stays tight.
On Teles, it couls be argued that an Electrosocket is SOP :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:01 am
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GorgonIsBack wrote:
The guy i used to take my gear to ( a well renowned luthier) said that the design of it was crap and made it prone to these problems and loosening up over time with all the plugging in and unplugging.


In my 48-year experience playing Fender Strats I've never heard of such an issue nor encountered it.

Who's your luthier, Pee Wee Herman?

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:22 am
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GorgonIsBack wrote:

The guy i used to take my gear to ( a well renowned luthier) said that the design of it was crap and made it prone to these problems and loosening up over time with all the plugging in and unplugging. And when you look at it it seems flimsy compared to the Tele jack and Les Paul's and the like.


1- You did not understand what your guy say .

or

2- He is unqualified

Strat jack desing is one of the best , if not the best .


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 6:29 am
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The Clapton Mid Boost requires a stereo output jack...that means an extra lug in there.

It's taking up more space...if the nut gets loose...wires shorting out is probable.

Unscrew it...tighten the nut...pay attention to which way the lugs point...reinstall as many times as necessary. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:03 am
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I agree that the nut is perhaps a little more prone to coming loose as it is screwed against metal compared to timber on other (lesser) designs. They are cheap though so there is no issue in tightening them to a hairs breadth of failure , using star washers or a small blob of Loctite (you don'y want to use sufficient to interrupt continuity), can also help if it is problematic.

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:36 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
GorgonIsBack wrote:
The guy i used to take my gear to ( a well renowned luthier) said that the design of it was crap and made it prone to these problems and loosening up over time with all the plugging in and unplugging.


In my 48-year experience playing Fender Strats I've never heard of such an issue nor encountered it.

Who's your luthier, Pee Wee Herman?

Arjay

He's not my luthier anymore as i do all my own refretting etc but suffice to say he's internationally known and has built guitars for Bryan Adams, Wet Wet wet and loads of others too numerous to mention.

You've never heard of a strat jack working loose? Do you actually play or just look at your guitars? Or are you just trying to troll?


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 8:52 am
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GorgonIsBack wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
GorgonIsBack wrote:
The guy i used to take my gear to ( a well renowned luthier) said that the design of it was crap and made it prone to these problems and loosening up over time with all the plugging in and unplugging.


In my 48-year experience playing Fender Strats I've never heard of such an issue nor encountered it.

Who's your luthier, Pee Wee Herman?

Arjay

He's not my luthier anymore as i do all my own refretting etc but suffice to say he's internationally known and has built guitars for Bryan Adams, Wet Wet wet and loads of others too numerous to mention.

You've never heard of a strat jack working loose? Do you actually play or just look at your guitars? Or are you just trying to troll?

No...HE'S not a troll...Retroverbial has nearly 21,000 (mostly) helpful posts...compared to your 23...

...and You're bringing up complaints about the design...

Just gettin' it straight :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:37 am
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GorgonIsBack wrote:
You've never heard of a strat jack working loose? Do you actually play or just look at your guitars? Or are you just trying to troll?


Loose output jacks periodically occur on all types and brands of guitars and corrective action is part and parcel of the routine maintenance needed to keep them performing properly.

As for your snarky addenda, I played my first professional gig ("professional" -- that means someone paid me for my time and expertise) in 1968. Since then there have been some 2700 compensated events of similar nature.

I'm going to do you a solid by encouraging you to put me on your "foe" list. That way, you won't feel compelled to redden with embarrassment every time I catch you massaging your wand in public and call you out because you'll never see it.

:P

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 10:50 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Loose output jacks periodically occur on all types and brands of guitars and corrective action is part and parcel of the routine maintenance needed to keep them performing properly.

Not actually correct. i've had loads of guitars that i've played day in and say out without any problem of that nature occurring. However i do notice it happening more with the strats i've owned. Could very well be it's not the best design for the output jack like the luthier i mentioned said.

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As for your snarky addenda, I played my first professional gig ("professional" -- that means someone paid me for my time and expertise) in 1968. Since then there have been some 2700 compensated events of similar nature.

I'm going to do you a solid by encouraging you to put me on your "foe" list. That way, you won't feel compelled to redden with embarrassment every time I catch you massaging your wand in public and call you out because you'll never see it.

:P

Arjay

You're the one that started the BS my friend with your jibe at the luthier guy that worked on my guitars. I'm sure that people of the caliber of Bryan Adams wouldn't have sought him out if he didn't know his stuff. The Pee Wee crack was unjustified and silly and just looking for an argument.

As far as a foe list i would never keep one i would just call out the BS artists like yourself as they come along.

This is not new for you Arjay. I know you of old. I am no stranger to this forum despite what danagos seems to think. I've been a member here for years and years but had to register again after the makeover as i lost my signing on data.

Anything else to say on the matter?


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 11:03 am
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Nothin' but love for ya, cupcake......nothin' but love.

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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:45 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
GorgonIsBack wrote:
You've never heard of a strat jack working loose? Do you actually play or just look at your guitars? Or are you just trying to troll?


Loose output jacks periodically occur on all types and brands of guitars and corrective action is part and parcel of the routine maintenance needed to keep them performing properly.


Arjay


+100 , Yes I see that on all type of guitar too .


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Post subject: Re: Eric Clapton Strat Output Jack Problem
Posted: Tue Jul 07, 2015 11:18 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
Nothin' but love for ya, cupcake......nothin' but love.

:lol:

Arjay

Now i realize what led me away from this site. Your attitude is appalling. Someone comes on here with a genuine question, only to be met with insults and snide comments.

This is what i meant when i said i remember you from bygone times on here. You did the same things back then and you're still doing it! :roll:


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