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Post subject: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:25 am
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I've been looking at a lot of different wiring options for pickup selection and a few players have had their strats modified so that you can have bridge and neck pickups on together. You can't get that usually with strats. Anyway the best way usually is with a push pull switch which i was thinking of installing with the volume pot. I believe the Clapton strat uses a 50k volume pot and i don't see a lot of 50k pots with the switch. Anyway another option is a small toggle switch but that would involve drilling a hole in the scratchplate which i'm not too keen on.

This is just an idea i'm thinking about. Has anyone else done this mod to their strats and is the sound worth the hassle? If the tone quality isn't markedly different then i may not bother. I know Malmsteen has his strats wired like this and others as well.


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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:40 am
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If it's the Gilmour mod you're talking about I can say YES it's feasible with a push-pull pot but I strongly recommend using a 2-way toggle or a push-push switch.

Our friend Alain had done the mod on his candy green EC Strat.


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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:26 am
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Look if you can use the regular 5 way switch . I can't find 50 k push pull pots . Your mod do not look a Clapton mod to me .

Clapton guitar mod

http://www.diyguitarmods.com/eric-clapton-wiring.php

Push pull pots;
http://www.diyguitarmods.com/push-pull- ... ometer.php


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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:44 am
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The pot you are searching for is an Alpha A500k not a 50.
And the sound you will get is similar to a NM or BM combo just a different tonality with a BN. It should give you a bit more bite since the bridge is the hotter pup.

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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:52 am
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53 Magnatone: The original pot value in the Clapton strat is 50k for the volume pot so to retain the same sound i thought i'd have to find a push pull switch/pot with that value. Usually pots are 250 or 500k but something to do with the different circuitry in the CS with the TBX control and the mid boost made them go with 50k for that pot. 500k would change the sound a lot i would think.


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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:02 pm
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53magnatone wrote:
The pot you are searching for is an Alpha A500k not a 50.
And the sound you will get is similar to a NM or BM combo just a different tonality with a BN. It should give you a bit more bite since the bridge is the hotter pup.



Look at my link , they show a 50 K

Yes incedible , :lol: I never heard about 50 K , only 500k and 250 k


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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:06 pm
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First , the mod GorgonIsBack is looking for is not a Eric Clapton guitar


http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... B_SISD.pdf


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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:14 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
53magnatone wrote:
The pot you are searching for is an Alpha A500k not a 50.
And the sound you will get is similar to a NM or BM combo just a different tonality with a BN. It should give you a bit more bite since the bridge is the hotter pup.



Look at my link , they show a 50 K

Yes incedible , :lol: I never heard about 50 K , only 500k and 250 k

I have never heard of a pot of that value being used. As you say usually always 250 or 500k. I was reading someone's net site and they talked about the reasons for the big change in that pot's value from the norm. I can't remember the reason they gave but it was tied in with the mid boost being installed on the guitar. I think they felt it didn't sound as good with 250 or 500k with the boost. Or maybe i'm just waffling and it was something entirely different!! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 12:47 pm
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GorgonIsBack wrote:
53 Magnatone: The original pot value in the Clapton strat is 50k for the volume pot so to retain the same sound i thought i'd have to find a push pull switch/pot with that value. Usually pots are 250 or 500k but something to do with the different circuitry in the CS with the TBX control and the mid boost made them go with 50k for that pot. 500k would change the sound a lot i would think.


No ... It's either a 500K or a 250k in a push / pull. I saw the diagram and I think it's a typo. But if you are running single coils than a 250k is appropriate. Whereas a 500k is more suitable to HB pups since HB's are decreased highs and single coils are increased highs. thus you want to tone single coils down and raise it on HB"s..

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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:03 pm
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Why not make Tone1 a master tone control and fit a Lindy Fralin blender pot where Tone2 is?
Then you can get all the pickup switching options of the Gilmour wiring, but with greater versatility because of the ability to adjust the level of the blended in pickup.

On top of all that the guitar retains its original look.


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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:10 pm
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Fender 50K pot
If that's a typo, it's spread all over :lol:

The "easy" (hah...) ways might be to either loose one of the stock positions and wire the neck/bridge combination in - or get a new pickguard and drill a mini switch hole in it.


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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 1:38 pm
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stratmangler wrote:
Why not make Tone1 a master tone control and fit a Lindy Fralin blender pot where Tone2 is?
Then you can get all the pickup switching options of the Gilmour wiring, but with greater versatility because of the ability to adjust the level of the blended in pickup.

On top of all that the guitar retains its original look.



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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:10 pm
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I didn't look everywhere for a 50K .. Found them, but why would you put a 50K when both of your tone pots are 250K ? The only reason I can think of ( in Clapton's case his set up was both active and passive.)
In this case there are no active circuits ... Yes :?:

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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:04 pm
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53magnatone wrote:
GorgonIsBack wrote:
53 Magnatone: The original pot value in the Clapton strat is 50k for the volume pot so to retain the same sound i thought i'd have to find a push pull switch/pot with that value. Usually pots are 250 or 500k but something to do with the different circuitry in the CS with the TBX control and the mid boost made them go with 50k for that pot. 500k would change the sound a lot i would think.


No ... It's either a 500K or a 250k in a push / pull. I saw the diagram and I think it's a typo. But if you are running single coils than a 250k is appropriate. Whereas a 500k is more suitable to HB pups since HB's are decreased highs and single coils are increased highs. thus you want to tone single coils down and raise it on HB"s..

53: scroll down to the bold print "what Does It Consist Of?" It's a 50k that replaces the 250k it would normally be. Well at least that's what the guy said in the article.


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Post subject: Re: Clapton Strat Mod (maybe)
Posted: Sun Jul 05, 2015 6:13 am
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I did this...if I understand correctly...in my latest build...the Hot Rod Brownie...

It has the Clapton Mid Boost and an inexpensive 250K P/P pot on Tone 2...

I needed the room under the Volume and Tone 1 for the PCB and I liked that it's furthest from my strum hand.

The Neck + Bridge tone is more biting than the traditional Strat tones...definitely a distinctive flavor...but unless you have a RW/RP Pup in an end position...you won't get the Hum-Bucking quiet...

I used DiMarzio Area Pups...a martian suggestion...they're stacked single humbuckers and quiet.

I also have the Fralin Blender in another build...the Glossy Relic...it works...but as martian told me..."it's always in the circuit (sucking tone)"...which is not true of the P/P pot.


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