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Post subject: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:20 pm
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Hey guys. I jsut picked up a 2013 Loan star Stratocaster. The one that has black humbuckers I think that its the latest one that came out in 2013 with the Texas special pick ups. Does anyone know a lot about these guitars. I live in Denver Colorado and I haven't lived here very long and I couldn't find a decent music shop that wasn't like a month backed up. SO I took it to Guitar Center to get it checked over and have a set up done to it. The guy was really nice and said that it was a killer guitar and was one of the best strats that he has seen in a long time. HE got it sounding pretty good but he said that he just sit everything Stander-ed to a Stratocaster. Correct me if I am wrong but don't these Lone Stars and Road house have specific heights of strings and all that good stuff? I figure that he got it close enough and I could just get it to where it should be as Fender calls. MY question is does anyone have one and if so have you found a sweet spot? I know everyone has different preferences I am going to be playing alot of bluesy stuff and have huge hands I usually put 11-12-13's on my guitars. They insisted that I put 10s on? They seem a little light to me. I haven't really ever dicked around with setting up a guitar but I am sure I could figure it out as I know the basic principles.I have the book that came with the guitar and it gives there recommendations for set up. Is it normal to have a guitar buzz all the time? HE said that there they just set the action as low as they can with the least amount of buzz. this damn thing is hard as hell to do bends on. But it sounds pretty good on an amp?


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:12 am
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Glen732 wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but don't these Lone Stars and Road house have specific heights of strings and all that good stuff?

All Fender Strat use same set up

They insisted that I put 10s on? They seem a little light to me.
It is a matter of taste , you can put what strings you want , but need a complete set up with new string gauge ,+ a truss rod adjustment

Is it normal to have a guitar buzz all the time?

No ! Need a complete set up

HE said that there they just set the action as low as they can with the least amount of buzz. this damn thing is hard as hell to do bends on.

Action is too low = buzz = hard to bend . Do a complete set up . If you don't know how , see a qualified luthier




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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:35 am
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I usually put 11-12-13's on my guitars. They insisted that I put 10s on?
I would have told them to go ahead and put 10's on any other guitar in this joint....but you're putting 11's on mine. And then I'd have handed them a package of 11's.
What ever happened to "The Customer Is Always Right"? It's getting worse every day, in every business and/or establishment. Sick of it.

Sorry for the rant. :wink:


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:32 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Need a complete set up
Very much agreed.

Glen732 wrote:
I couldn't find a decent music shop that wasn't like a month backed up. SO I took it to Guitar Center
GC seems to be very different on different places - some shops get praise, this one seems to be a bit short of the pro level.

Glen732 wrote:
Correct me if I am wrong but don't these Lone Stars and Road house have specific heights of strings and all that good stuff?
Basic setup recommendations (action, relief, pickup height) vary according to fretboard radius and pickup style, Strat Setup Guide
But: they're just recommendations; the final setup choices depend on the player's style and preferences.

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I usually put 11-12-13's on my guitars.
What guitars are you talking about? There's a very different feel for a .011/.012/.013 string set on 24"/24.75"/25.5" scale guitar...

Glen732 wrote:
They insisted that I put 10s on? They seem a little light to me.
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this damn thing is hard as hell to do bends on
As above, are you used to shorter scale - or maybe rounder radius..? Plus, if you had that "five year coffee break" :wink: from playing, you need to give your fingers some time to readjust.
I'd let that .010 set be for a while, get the feel back etc.

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Is it normal to have a guitar buzz all the time? (...) But it sounds pretty good on an amp?
Buzzing is a defect, not normal. Probably the buzz is because the setup ain't what it should be. There is a slight chance you make the "rookie mistake" after that break, and pick the strings too hard for this setup.


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 1:08 pm
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I think Fender uses 5/64ths at the low E , 4/64ths at the high E and a relief at .008 to .010 as a ballpark figure . Everyone is different . I dont like obscenely low action like 2/64 even on my Gibsons. It is harder to do bends with my sausage fingers. Learn to do your own setups and life will be alot easier .


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:40 am
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Thanks for all the replys! When I say 5 year break I pretty much mean no gigs and practicing maybe 2 times a month where as before I practiced 2-5 times a week for 3-4 hours and played at like 2-3 bars a week. I got this guitar and wanted someone to go through it at guitar center and do a set up. From your guys reply s it sounds like they action is too low and I figured it was. I haven't personally set up a guitar that wasn't a les paul in about 3 years. I had a great guy for doing this stuff that charged me 20. I just payed 56 dollars at guitar center and the it still has buzz. The guy shaved down my fret bars on the ends so they where not sharp and was really nice but maybe i wasn't clear to him about my intentions. What should I do try to fix it myself? I mean i could watch videos and figure it out i am sure. As to it being a lonestar online i found right on fender website that there height to pick up ratio is way different then a standered. ANd i take it thats why it is a $@!&* to bend too? because of the action? ANyway should I buy some guitar tools on amazon like ruler and all that good stuff? thanks guys!!! o and I talked to my buddy who is in another state that used to do it for cheap he said that sense I usually play blues and classic rock especially the SRV stuff to put my 11-12 on there and set the action as high as i can play it comfortably while not compromising any bow in the neck?? no as low as it can and if it buzzs after spending 55 go get my money back??


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 7:57 am
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It seems that many guitar techs assume that you want really low action unless you tell them different. If it were me I would get a set of allen wrenches (you might already have one for the saddles) a machinists rule that is in 64th, a feeler guage and off you go. There are several books out there that have good info. "The Fender Stratocaster Handbook " is good. The Guitar Player Repair Guide by Dan Erlewine is another. I do all of my own setups and when I have something wierd going on I have a competent luthier I can rely on. I would suggest you put the string guage you want on it and set it back to factory specs and go from there. I always use factory specs as a starting point. After I get done I measure and record the action ( or just make a mental note). That way I know where it was when I was happy with it and if something wonky is going on I will know it.


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 8:58 am
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Start by reading the Strat Setup guide I posted before - there's also a list of tools & materials you need (they don't mention the Allen wrenches, though - buy a full set of some quality wrenches).
Then, start by measuring your current setup. Check nut slot height, trem settings, relief, action - so you know what's your start point. If you're already close to Fender recommendations, you might only need to adjust the action to get rid of the buzz, even if you hit the strings SRV style.

And I repeat my note on those string gauges: a .011 set feels very different on a (24.75") Les Paul and a (25.5") Strat, so that can be one reason for difficulties when bending.
Or it may just be your trem springs giving in... :wink:


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 11:08 am
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jmattis wrote:

And I repeat my note on those string gauges: a .011 set feels very different on a (24.75") Les Paul and a (25.5") Strat, so that can be one reason for difficulties when bending.
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Longer scale guitar like Strat need more tension for the same tuning than a shorter scale like Les Paul


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:59 am
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Awesome. I bought that book that you recommended and I'm telling you that was a good buy. Thanks again for suggesting that. Now I need to get some tools for checking it out. In the meantime I called the guitar center and explained my dilemma. The guy said the person that fixed my guitar isn't working there anymore and to bring it up there. So I am going to take it up there Monday. And by that time get some tools of my own. Really I just want them to give me my money back and I'll do it all in my own I think. The only thing that I am worried about is the guy filed down my feet edges to take the sharpness away and if I do any vibrato on the e too and bottom heavy they fall off the neck?? but with careful vibrato it's fine. I'm more worried about getting my cash back I doubt they will. Hopefully I can get this thing in shape because my playing is improving every day. Just want a guitar I can go with and its so frustrating that people mess with things they shouldn't. I guess I'm the idiot that took my guitar to guitar center to get set up.


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:22 am
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Did you talk to me , about this book ?
I'm glad you like it .

http://www.amazon.com/Fender-Stratocast ... ratocaster

Another great book ;

http://www.stewmac.com/How-To/Books/How ... Great.html

With this book I learn to do all my guitar set up and repair better than most guitar store guy.
And my guitars are all set to my personnal needs


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:24 am
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BUZZ? Which string buzzes? Goto the bridge and raise that guide a tiny bit to remove the buzz. There are two tiny allen screws you adjust. Each string on a Strat has its own bridge. There are 6 bridges on a Strat. Think of it that way..
Your Lone star also has Microtilt which is a neck adjustment feature in addition to the truss bar adjustment. Does your neck plate have a hole in it? That is the Microtilt feature.

Your Texas Special are a creation made for Stevie Ray Vaughn. Don't adjust the pole heights until you are experienced. Generally most of us should never adjust pole heights.


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 10:38 am
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Zentar wrote:
BUZZ? Which string buzzes? Goto the bridge and raise that guide a tiny bit to remove the buzz. There are two tiny allen screws you adjust. Fenders have a 6 piece bridge.
Your Lone star also has Microtilt which is a neck adjustment feature in addition to the truss bar adjustment.


Be carefull , If no buzz before, bridge or saddle don't move by itself . We must check neck bow first . Neck can move by itself with string tension or weather change or ...and may need truss rod adjustment .

Micro tilt is only useful if you can't have the right action with bridge or saddles

If you adjust action with wrong neck bow you will have more problems


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Post subject: Re: 2013 Lone Star
Posted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 6:36 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Zentar wrote:
BUZZ? Which string buzzes? Goto the bridge and raise that guide a tiny bit to remove the buzz. There are two tiny allen screws you adjust. Fenders have a 6 piece bridge.
Your Lone star also has Microtilt which is a neck adjustment feature in addition to the truss bar adjustment.


Be carefull , If no buzz before, bridge or saddle don't move by itself . We must check neck bow first . Neck can move by itself with string tension or weather change or ...and may need truss rod adjustment .

Micro tilt is only useful if you can't have the right action with bridge or saddles

If you adjust action with wrong neck bow you will have more problems


He said he just had it adjusted at a guitar shop. He should be very close to where things need to be. It may be just one string that buzzes. Until he can get it to another shop he should try lifting the bridge saddle that causes the buzz.


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