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Post subject: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:00 am
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I need some help on replacing the stock N3 pickups from my Fender Stratocaster American deluxe 2014 guitar. I want to put Duncans, SSL-1 in the neck and middle position and SSL-5 in the bridge position. I'd like to keep the S1 switching, i know it's a complex wiring but i'll be taking to my local tech to do it, but it's possible right? How's the noise level with the S1 positions and regular single coil pickups? I was thinking on using a Ilitch BPNCS back plate to reduce the hum, but he claims that the BPNCS operation will not perform properly with any “in series” or “out of phase” pickup connections. I emailed him and he told me the wiring diagram would be very complex and he would have to do it as a custom wiring diagram, would cost me $200 only for the diagram. Any coments on that? How's the noise level for the people who changed stock noiseless pickups for regular single coils and use the S1 switching?


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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:17 am
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Why ?? You are going from a relatively quiet pickup to one's that will pick up any and all interference unless you shield all the cavities and make sure everything is grounded.
The S1 has nothing to do with noise levels, that comes from pickups and unshielded wiring
You are looking at spending $500+ maybe more just for wanting the use of the SI :?: :roll:
It doesn't make sense especially since you may not like the result at all.

Why not just get the pickups you want in a preloaded pick guard with a superswitch instead of the 5 way. The SS switch will offer you the 7 possible combinations... Then swap the entire assembly which only then requires a couple of solder joints to be redone.. Nothing like the S1 switch which is way too complex...

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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:26 pm
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I haven't heard of that super switch. You say it has 7 sounds, what pickup combinations are those 2 extra sounds from the 5 regular combinations? Where could i order a pickguard with that switch and the pickups i want?
I want to swap pickups because i don't like the N3. I'm after a Frusciante funk tone, i know he uses SSL-1 pickups, and i was thinking on the SSL-5 for the bridge, for something hotter in that position. N3 pickups don't deliver that classic strat tone for me, but i was also trying to get the noise low and the s1 switch active for more options if possible.


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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:36 pm
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Keep it simple... It's either all active circuitry or not. The super switch is readily available. It gives you the additional NMB as well as NB.
Personally if you want quiet you may want to look into reverse wound / reverse pole. In effect when using BM or NM it's acting like a hum bucker circuit...

You can just order online the parts you need and have your tech assemble. Much simpler than what you originally posted..
BTW what are you running for amp. I have said it before but that is 50% of your tone and unless you are in similar mode amp wise, you won't find Frusciante's tone whatever that may be.

Personally I seek my own tone and have never had any desire to mimic any one else. Just listen, borrow some of this and some of that and make it you not a clone. But YMMV ... :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 12:57 pm
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Actually, my main guitar is a 2012 PRS Custom 24. I also try to find my own tone, i play in an alternative rock band with many diverse influencies (Rage Against the Machine, Tool, Jane's Adiction, Incubus, Soundgarden, etc...). The thing is that the strat is ment to be used on some funk stuff i play and i said "Frusciante's tone" as a reference only, i like his tone but i'm no trying to replicate it . I play through a Marshall JVM 410H. I find the N3 pickups lack some of the classic strat tone i'm trying to archive.


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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:28 pm
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I agree with you even thoughI like the N3 and the SCN pups, they are not the traditional Fender tone we think of which is really a 1960's tone from the surf era.
I 'm just completing a build and hopefully will have it firing up late tonight... Minor setback today.

I don't know Seymour Duncan's that well but know they're reputable. I do have an HSS with a Seymour HB hooked to a push/pull volume for single to dual coil. Rewiring that so it's also on hold...
But to the point you might want to look at the Fender 69 pups as well. Plenty of video's around to compare...

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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:51 pm
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The loaded pickguard would be the easiest path, but there's no reason you couldn't just swap out *any* pickup at all with the N3's. There's nothing unusual about them, just hook up the new pickups in the same place as the old pickups. Take photos. Make notes. Pay attention. E-Z P-Z.


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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 5:11 pm
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The Super Switch does not give 7 pup combinations, only 5, the same number as a regular 5-way switch. The only way to get more than 5 combinations with a Super Switch is in combination with an additional switch, such as an S1 or push-pull switch. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 6:53 pm
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A Deluxe Player would be a good alternative for you probably. Noiseless pup's 7 way blade using the switch......all at just a little more than what properly modding one would cost you. Good guitar for the money.


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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 7:42 pm
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Maybe it is just me, but I feel that if you are going to pay the premium price to get the Deluxe or the Deluxe Player model it should be because it is what you want right out of the box. Not to mod - that is what MIMs and American Standards are for.

That being said, if I was to do it I would go with the loaded pickguard and store the original in case you decide you want to sell it later.


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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 8:07 pm
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I love the feel, tuning stability, and comfort of the American Deluxe over cheaper strats, so swapping pickups is not a big deal for me considering those aspects. I have 2 options...
1) Loaded pickguard with the Duncan pickups i want, loosing S1 switching, but leaving original electronics untouched, stored in case i want to sell the guitar or return to original pickups sometime .
2) swap stock N3 pickups with the Duncans, trying to keep s1 switching with new pickups. Take pictures of original wiring in case i want to get it back to stock for selling or reversing the mod.
I'll take it to my tech, so i won't do the job, that's why i was thinking on swapping instead of replacing the whole pickguard.
What do you guys think?


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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 10:20 pm
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Option 1 then.


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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:23 pm
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Well like many others we have discussed this before.
I have wired plenty of different pickups to the S1.
If you go down this road just make sure all pickups have the same phase and pickup polarity i.e. do not use any rw/rp in the set.
The easiest as originally suggested is to get a new guard and wire in the duncans. You can do plenty of options with the super switch or just go for the five way... :D


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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:59 am
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shimmilou wrote:
The Super Switch does not give 7 pup combinations, only 5, the same number as a regular 5-way switch. The only way to get more than 5 combinations with a Super Switch is in combination with an additional switch, such as an S1 or push-pull switch. :idea:


Yes it does... But it is a complicated switch. The benefit is that 7 pup combinations is just one aspect of this switch. You can completely customize your own personal diagram, for in or out of phase and many more options.... You do have to think out of the box with this switch and it is not simple.

http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/I ... per_Switch
http://www.premierguitar.com/articles/E ... per_Switch

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Post subject: Re: Swapping N3 pickups from Stratocaster American Deluxe
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:48 am
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evets618 wrote:
there's no reason you couldn't just swap out *any* pickup at all with the N3's. There's nothing unusual about them, just hook up the new pickups in the same place as the old pickups.


A big plus one to this - why make things too complicated :wink:
And since you're going to use your local tech, he should be able to check for excess noise (and fix that problem if it occurs), check&fix the possible phase issues, check for possible differences in wire coloring etc. (In short: he's responsible for doing a successful job.)


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