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Post subject: Re: Tex-Mex Pickups with Fender TBX Pot or Fender No Load Po
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 2:18 pm
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Many thanks to all for the support

I apologize to all explanations but I was lost, like blind in a firefight and I was afraid of hurting my Strat it is my second great love, this is not for me, solder wires and capacitors, i may do wrong and getting worse or nothing happens.

But today I did a crazy thing, my wife will kill me, when coming to the invoice card, bought a Fender Blues Deluxe 40W, a few pedals, one Ibanez TS9 one Vox V845 Wah-Wah and EH Big Muff PI - heavier strings also, I hope to improve.

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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 3:27 pm
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Nice, nothing like going for broke ...
As far as hurting your Stratocaster ... No ... You would be just changing pots, it is nothing structural and all reversible and you can try many different combinations of wiring.
There are plenty of DIY's, but if you don't feel confident doing it yourself then by all means have someone who knows the complexity of different pup combinations but most importantly how to go about getting those sounds...
But do learn how to do it yourself on say like a less expensive fiddle like a pre owned MIM .
Not a Squier sinc ethe electronics are inferior and the switches are good quality on the MIMs

Good choice on the Blues Deluxe, having had a Hot Rod Deluxe I wished I had gotten a Blues Deluxe Reissue instead. Just a little warmer sound on clean...

Curious on the choice of going to heavier strings. A set of 009's or 010's will be more than able to give you tonality.
Heavier than that I can see if you are strictly a rhythm player, but in todays music, the required versatility of playing both rhythm and legato lead runs pretty much require nimble strings, one's you can bend a full step and even two, plus vibrato is a lot easier on 09's or 10's... But it is your fingers ... :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Tex-Mex Pickups with Fender TBX Pot or Fender No Load Po
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:07 pm
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53magnatone wrote:
Nice, nothing like going for broke ...
As far as hurting your Stratocaster ... No ... You would be just changing pots, it is nothing structural and all reversible and you can try many different combinations of wiring.
There are plenty of DIY's, but if you don't feel confident doing it yourself then by all means have someone who knows the complexity of different pup combinations but most importantly how to go about getting those sounds...
But do learn how to do it yourself on say like a less expensive fiddle like a pre owned MIM .
Not a Squier sinc ethe electronics are inferior and the switches are good quality on the MIMs

Good choice on the Blues Deluxe, having had a Hot Rod Deluxe I wished I had gotten a Blues Deluxe Reissue instead. Just a little warmer sound on clean...

Curious on the choice of going to heavier strings. A set of 009's or 010's will be more than able to give you tonality.
Heavier than that I can see if you are strictly a rhythm player, but in todays music, the required versatility of playing both rhythm and legato lead runs pretty much require nimble strings, one's you can bend a full step and even two, plus vibrato is a lot easier on 09's or 10's... But it is your fingers ... :wink:


The strings are Daddario EPN21 012-051 :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Tex-Mex Pickups with Fender TBX Pot or Fender No Load Po
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 7:56 pm
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Hate to hijack the thread

Happens here so often nobody will be offended. I hope. :wink:

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The new P90 set up will have 1 tone pot for each pup and a 4-way switch for in and out of phase tones.
I want a tone pot/tone cap set that will give me the same tone I have now bypassing the tone circuit but yet tame the boom with the pot when I want to. Will either a TBX or a No-Load tone pot help with that or should I just stick with a standard tone pot?
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I was considering a regular pot with a push/push switch that would take the pot out of the circuit when I wanted the bypassed tone I have now in the HSS - would that work?

Any suggestions on the best way to brighten it up a bit when I want to but not lose the bypassed tone I have with it now?

I remembered seeing something sorta like that, took me a while but I found it. This is actually a Tele diagram, but you're going for two pickups anyway (and the hijack is already in progress) so: Phostenics 4-Way Tele with Out-of-Phase Option & TBX Tone Control
It ain't exactly what you're looking for but maybe it's an option. (I don't remember ever seeing that exact 4way switch/1vol/2tones combination you're after...)
Another chance might be some P90 (or just SS) diagrams with 2Vol/2Tone pots, embellished with a bypass for the bridge tone.

On your quest for "the true bypass" sound, the no-load should be somewhat more suitable than the TBX (see the descriptions earlier on the topic), but IMHO, the real true bypass would need a switch.

And a disclaimer: I ain't no electrician - no way. Proceed with caution.

I usually try to stick to the 10 day rule - if a thread goes 10 days without a post is considered resurrected instead of hijacked. In this case I want to get parts and finish it this weekend.

So best way would be something along the lines of a Passing Lane type switch for the bridge pickup, but a No-Load pot would be better than a regular or a TBX? Agree on the .047 tone cap?

The guitar started life as an HH with a volume and 2 tones and want to keep that setup except a 4-way switch for in and out of phase, the P90s, and a way to brighten them up. Guess could use a modified Tele diagram but send the bridge pickup to the second tone pot. Was thinking a modified HH diagram would be simpler though.


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Post subject: Re: Tex-Mex Pickups with Fender TBX Pot or Fender No Load Po
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 9:31 pm
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...A 22 to 25 watt tube amp like the Blues Junior or Pro Junior will deliver, but you have to crank the amp...


Both are 15 watt amps.

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Post subject: Re: Tex-Mex Pickups with Fender TBX Pot or Fender No Load Po
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:38 am
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fenderfan wrote:
So best way would be something along the lines of a Passing Lane type switch for the bridge pickup, but a No-Load pot would be better than a regular or a TBX? Agree on the .047 tone cap?

I support the passing lane/bypass switch.
I use no-loads for most of my guitars, but they're no miracle cures (= the 0-load position is just about noticeable).
On cap values, I have no opinion - the whole diagram is so rare, it's just guessing. You like the sound now, so maybe start with pot/cap values like the current ones.

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Was thinking a modified HH diagram would be simpler though.

I checked some HH diagrams, too - but just about every one has the "split" options/positions, which are useless on P90's.


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Post subject: Re: Tex-Mex Pickups with Fender TBX Pot or Fender No Load Po
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 1:37 am
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That's what happens with the changes TBX Tone Control?

This can be done in an amplifier!

Or am I wrong?


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Post subject: Re: Tex-Mex Pickups with Fender TBX Pot or Fender No Load Po
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:42 am
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AND-BR-blues wrote:
That's what happens with the changes TBX Tone Control?

This can be done in an amplifier!

Or am I wrong?



Do you mean . Installing a TBX pot in an amp ? or that the amp controls already provide the TBX control range ?

The amp is an entirely different subject. I would recommend reading this book .
" How to Hot Rod your Fender Amp " by Jeffrey Falla ( voyageur press ) isbn # 978-0-7603-3847-6
It's quite thorough in unveiling the alchemy and myth of amplifiers and getting down to the nuts and bolts of " Can I improve my amp ? "
I'm not suggesting that you start getting that Reissue Deluxe modded. Only ( for the moment ) as reference as to what can be done to dial in your own tonal pursuits :wink:

As far as a TBX, it's for expanding the guitar tone parameters. I have no idea what the result or possibilities could be if installed in an amp... Considering how the tone controls work in my amps I think it would be sort of redundant..
BTW... In that video, it is important to keep in mind that he is wired up like a Tele where he can blend in two pickups... So some of his tone is from that in the latter part of the vid.

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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:59 am
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Do you mean . Installing a TBX pot in an amp ? or that the amp controls already provide the TBX control range ?

The amp is an entirely different subject. I would recommend reading this book .
" How to Hot Rod your Fender Amp " by Jeffrey Falla ( voyageur press ) isbn # 978-0-7603-3847-6
It's quite thorough in unveiling the alchemy and myth of amplifiers and getting down to the nuts and bolts of " Can I improve my amp ? "
I'm not suggesting that you start getting that Reissue Deluxe modded. Only ( for the moment ) as reference as to what can be done to dial in your own tonal pursuits :wink:

As far as a TBX, it's for expanding the guitar tone parameters. I have no idea what the result or possibilities could be if installed in an amp... Considering how the tone controls work in my amps I think it would be sort of redundant..
BTW... In that video, it is important to keep in mind that he is wired up like a Tele where he can blend in two pickups... So some of his tone is from that in the latter part of the vid.


Sorry I expressed myself wrong, I meant that the effect of TBX about the guitar is the same thing I decrease or increase the bass amplifier.

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Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:00 am
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AND-BR-blues wrote:
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Do you mean . Installing a TBX pot in an amp ? or that the amp controls already provide the TBX control range ?

The amp is an entirely different subject. I would recommend reading this book .
" How to Hot Rod your Fender Amp " by Jeffrey Falla ( voyageur press ) isbn # 978-0-7603-3847-6
It's quite thorough in unveiling the alchemy and myth of amplifiers and getting down to the nuts and bolts of " Can I improve my amp ? "
I'm not suggesting that you start getting that Reissue Deluxe modded. Only ( for the moment ) as reference as to what can be done to dial in your own tonal pursuits :wink:

As far as a TBX, it's for expanding the guitar tone parameters. I have no idea what the result or possibilities could be if installed in an amp... Considering how the tone controls work in my amps I think it would be sort of redundant..
BTW... In that video, it is important to keep in mind that he is wired up like a Tele where he can blend in two pickups... So some of his tone is from that in the latter part of the vid.


Sorry I expressed myself wrong, I meant that the effect of TBX about the guitar is the same thing that decrease or increase the bass amplifier.

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Post subject: Re: Tex-Mex Pickups with Fender TBX Pot or Fender No Load Po
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 3:52 am
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AND-BR-blues wrote:
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Do you mean . Installing a TBX pot in an amp ? or that the amp controls already provide the TBX control range ?

The amp is an entirely different subject. I would recommend reading this book .
" How to Hot Rod your Fender Amp " by Jeffrey Falla ( voyageur press ) isbn # 978-0-7603-3847-6
It's quite thorough in unveiling the alchemy and myth of amplifiers and getting down to the nuts and bolts of " Can I improve my amp ? "
I'm not suggesting that you start getting that Reissue Deluxe modded. Only ( for the moment ) as reference as to what can be done to dial in your own tonal pursuits :wink:

As far as a TBX, it's for expanding the guitar tone parameters. I have no idea what the result or possibilities could be if installed in an amp... Considering how the tone controls work in my amps I think it would be sort of redundant..
BTW... In that video, it is important to keep in mind that he is wired up like a Tele where he can blend in two pickups... So some of his tone is from that in the latter part of the vid.


Sorry I expressed myself wrong, I meant that the effect of TBX about the guitar is the same thing I decrease or increase the bass amplifier.


No... Because the TBX tone pot is actually 2 pots stacked. One controls Treble the other Bass...
I would not try to overthink the tech parts as this versus that.
Just that the TBX is more defined than a no load or a plain tone pot. Think of it more like an equalizer rather than a dimmer control that just increases or decreases treble.

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