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Post subject: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double coil?
Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 9:34 pm
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I'm saving up to buy an American stratocaster deluxe. I like HSS pickup configuration for the power that the humbucker can provide. However I'm wondering if the humbucker can have a split coil where are the passing lane switch can be wired to toggle between double and single coil for those sweet single coil sounds in the bridge position?

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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 12:18 am
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Short answer: yes.

The Humbucker (part# 0054036000, "Hot Rod Wide Spacing Bridge Position Stratocaster Humbucker") has four leads, so it's splittable - and the same applies if you choose the HSS Shawbucker (part# 7707189000) version.
The push/push switch can be wired to do the split instead of the lane pass (just like you would wire a mini toggle switch, which is more common).

But, since you're currently on the saving/planning/waiting phase, I'd suggest you give the stock wiring a chance before that mod :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 5:11 am
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Thank you for the reply.

So, if I were to enact this mod, I would have to designate which of the two coils in the humbucker would be active for single coil playing: the one closer to the bridge; or the one further away from the bridge. Given that the traditional single coil version of the bridge pickup is at that "angle", I would assume that I would find more of that traditional single coil sounds by choosing the coil furthest from the bridge. Has anyone else done this? Any thoughts?

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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 5:17 pm
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With the S1 circuit in the Deluxe, this mod can be a little more complex than simply swapping a few wires. Do you have the wiring diagram for your particular model?

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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Fri May 22, 2015 7:30 pm
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no, i do not.

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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 1:06 am
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You'll probably need the wiring diagram, and there are a few variations of wiring over the years. If you know the particular model number, or the year of the guitar, you can send an email to Fender and get the correct wiring diagram.

Next questions; can you follow the diagram, and can you desolder/solder?

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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 6:21 am
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Yes, if the wiring diagram is available from Fender, I could follow it and make the wiring changes with a soldering iron. Thank you for letting me know that all of this is available and possible.

I guess I'm still wondering whether anyone has done this, and after going through it all and making the mod, did they get the single coil sound in the bridge position that they sought?

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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:39 pm
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Sculptair wrote:
Yes, if the wiring diagram is available from Fender, I could follow it and make the wiring changes with a soldering iron. Thank you for letting me know that all of this is available and possible.

I guess I'm still wondering whether anyone has done this, and after going through it all and making the mod, did they get the single coil sound in the bridge position that they sought?


Not sure if will work with S-1 switching but another mod you can make is a stacked tone pot - a 250k and a 500k stacked together. You can swap out one of your other tone pots and run your humbucker tone circuit through it. That's what I'm doing to my HSS. Usually I jump a wire from the bridge pickup to my neck tonepot since Fender doesn't usually give us tone control for the bridge but 250k pots seem to limit a humbucker too much. This way it still looks the same but under the hood it has the singe coil wired to the 250k and the humbucker wired to the 500k -. the way things were meant to be. That is the only thing I don't like about coil split guitars, single coils sound better through 250k(although some might argue the point) and humbuckers sound better through 500k so the tone of one is going to be compromised. My Les Paul has coil split and if I remember right from the sheet that came with it, it has 250K pots. I would change it to stacked pots so that it would go through 500k in humbucker mode and 250k when split but don't play it enough to make it worthwhile. My HSS has no S-1 switch or coil split so is an easier setup than yours. I replaced the humbucker in mine with a P90 of the same size but going put the humbucker back in along with the stacked tone pot. Looking for another guitar to use as a project, then getting another P90 for the neck and an HH pickguard. Found a cheap black on black Ibanez HH but holding out for a MIM Fender. Or a Squier.


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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:47 pm
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Nice, great idea. Let us know how it works out.

Has anyone worked with the custom shop? Isn't this something that they must've done numerous times already?

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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 2:06 am
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The S1 switch isn't the main issue here; it can be wired to do a lot of things. Like in the Deluxe Lone Star™ HSS Wiring, it splits the humbucker (S1 down, 5-way pos1) - so this would give a split humbucker option without the push/push switch. Or just change the pot (to regular or stacked).

On the "which coil active?" question.
The Lone Star™ has the bridge side coil active ("screw coil").
But I'd estimate it's way more common to keep the neck side coil ("slug coil") active - the "dominant opinion" behind this is, that the bridge side coil would be too bright/shrieky/harsh.
And then there's the polarity issue (I haven't checked this, but on the Lone Star™, 'S1down/5way-pos2' is probably hum-canceling).
Anyways, it's easy (relatively...) to check which sound you like better; just test wire the pickup differently during the mod operation (might even be worth trying to rotate the humbucker 180° so you get the screw/slug coils switched).

There are multiple wiring diagrams on the Fender site & elsewhere on the net - and if all else fails, the forum has some wizards who usually help if a diagram just doesn't exist yet (a guy from the 4th rock comes to mind...). You just need to be precise on what you want.


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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 11:15 am
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okay, thanks for the info. I'm leaning towards the neck side coil. what's the difference between using the coil with slugs versus screws as the single coil in question?

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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 12:32 pm
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With screws, you can adjust the balance between individual string's volume. Same idea as with staggered pole pieces or tilting the whole pickup (well, sort of same...).


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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:35 pm
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jmattis wrote:

On the "which coil active?" question.
The Lone Star™ has the bridge side coil active ("screw coil").
But I'd estimate it's way more common to keep the neck side coil ("slug coil") active - the "dominant opinion" behind this is, that the bridge side coil would be too bright/shrieky/harsh.

That too bright sound from the bridge pup is why I like to jump a wire to the neck tone pot for bridge tone control but with an HSS that forces you to run the humbucker through a 250k tone pot. Hence the stacked 500k/250k tone pot. Hadn't thought of it before but guess a person could use the first tone pot for both neck and mid and replace the second tone pot with a 500k for the bridge humbucker. Then could control that shrieky bridge tone with the second pot.
Before I swapped my humbucker for a P90 I rarely used the middle pickup anyway. The bridge didn't hum but if I was playing off the neck and it was humming I would kick the mid in. I don't have to worry about too much brightness with the P90. It is fat, thick, and booming. If anything, being able to dial in a little more brightness would be nice. Is more like a foghorn than a shriek but smooth and mellow when I combine it with the middle pickup.


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Post subject: Re: Rewire passing lane switch to toggle single or double co
Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 12:46 am
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A little addendum:
Answering to another topic (viewtopic.php?f=6&t=99033) I just noticed the American Standard HSS has a coil split as default in position 2; (bridge + middle pickups); on this model the slug coil (neck side coil) is active on the bridge pickup. I understand this position is hum-cancelling (middle Fat50's RWRP).


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