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Post subject: Re: "Find a Stratocaster Guitar for your Sound"... yeah, rig
Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:48 am
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There was nothing cryptic about the question, but FMIC does own Charvel.
FMIC owns a lot of the alternative guitar brand out there.

Charvel was once an independent company http://www.charvel.com/support/story.php
The first time I heard of Charvel was in an interview with Edward Van Halen, and he mentioned getting a neck from Charvel's guitar repair (ie before Grover Jackson bought the business).
The neck EVH bought was used in the first incarnation of the Frankenstein guitar.
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Post subject: Re: "Find a Stratocaster Guitar for your Sound"... yeah, rig
Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:50 am
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John Sims wrote:
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Who do you think owns Charvel?


I have no idea....


Oooo look a tiny FMIC at the bottom of the Web page. This morning has been an education.

Perhaps I would revise my view above in the same way Squire avoids the cheapening the Fender brand Charvel avoids similar brand contamination.

However, as Fender have apparently set up Charvel for shredders why do they now chase the same market from within the Fender brand? - This is me being retorical not argumentative.


....What XR6_FALCON said "Get a Charvel" :)

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Post subject: Re: "Find a Stratocaster Guitar for your Sound"... yeah, rig
Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 3:07 am
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Branding is a funny old thing. In the same way Range Rover, at one time, would distance itself from Land Rover they now go to pains to embrace the relationship. They even now insist Defender, the classic Land Rover and what ever one calls a Land Rover, isn't called a Land Rover it's called a Defender.

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Post subject: Re: "Find a Stratocaster Guitar for your Sound"... yeah, rig
Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 7:28 am
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stratmangler wrote:
There was nothing cryptic about the question, but FMIC does own Charvel.
FMIC owns a lot of the alternative guitar brand out there.

Charvel was once an independent company http://www.charvel.com/support/story.php
The first time I heard of Charvel was in an interview with Edward Van Halen, and he mentioned getting a neck from Charvel's guitar repair (ie before Grover Jackson bought the business).
The neck EVH bought was used in the first incarnation of the Frankenstein guitar.


Yep; Ed bought a body from Charvel and ordered a Boogie Bodies (now Warmoth) neck through Wayne's shop. The body Ed bought was cut by Wayne at the Schecter facility using a template made by Tom Anderson, who was a Schecter employee at the time. Schecter and Charvel had the same financial backers at the time so there was some cross-pollination.

Grover Jackson wound up "buying" Charvel from Wayne by assuming Wayne's debt to this financial backing company (and Grover had already taken a 20% to 30% stake in Charvel instead of salary). Charvel never made a body or neck in-house until after Grover took over.

The original Frankenstrat could have that body from Charvel, or it could have an old Fender body - I think the current thought is that it has a Fender body, not that one he bought from Wayne (cut by Wayne at Schecter's shop from the Anderson template).

Around 1985-86 Grover took on financial backing to expand - he got the money to build the larger shop in Ontario, but in the process gave the Charvel name to a line of imported guitars made in Japan, and putting the Jackson name on all the USA models (he had been using "Jackson" on the neck-through models, starting with the prototypes he made for Randy Rhodes prior to his death). The company name also changed from "Charvel/Jackson" to "Jackson/Charvel" at that time, and the MIJ Charvels carried the address of the parent company in Ft. Worth, Texas instead of the California address used by the USA Jackson.

Eventually Grover himself was forced out of the "Jackson/Charvel" company, and it went through a couple of different owners until FMIC bought them in the early 2000s (2003 or 2004).


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Post subject: Re: "Find a Stratocaster Guitar for your Sound"... yeah, rig
Posted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:26 pm
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John Sims wrote:
John Sims wrote:
stratmangler wrote:

Who do you think owns Charvel?


I have no idea....


Oooo look a tiny FMIC at the bottom of the Web page. This morning has been an education.

Perhaps I would revise my view above in the same way Squire avoids the cheapening the Fender brand Charvel avoids similar brand contamination.

However, as Fender have apparently set up Charvel for shredders why do they now chase the same market from within the Fender brand? - This is me being retorical not argumentative.


....What XR6_FALCON said "Get a Charvel" :)



They are actually made in Mexico at the fender factory .. try one out. They use the same headstock shape as it is licenced to Charvel. I have a San Dimas and since buying it- I realised I wasted my money on the Floyd strat. Charvel have the most comfortable necks to play. Ive bought and sold a mim standard floyd rose strat and I ended up selling it because there was really nothing outstanding on it. Frets are small, pickups are fairly average- but they certainly aint 'progressive' or 'hot'.

If Fender made an American floyd strat today, it would likely be an american special HSS. I'd also check out the EVH line aswel- they are almost a hybrid of a strat and a san dimas with a few extras.. also made in the same factory in mexico or Japan.

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Post subject: Re: "Find a Stratocaster Guitar for your Sound"... yeah, rig
Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 8:54 pm
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John C wrote:
stratmangler wrote:
There was nothing cryptic about the question, but FMIC does own Charvel.
FMIC owns a lot of the alternative guitar brand out there.

Charvel was once an independent company http://www.charvel.com/support/story.php
The first time I heard of Charvel was in an interview with Edward Van Halen, and he mentioned getting a neck from Charvel's guitar repair (ie before Grover Jackson bought the business).
The neck EVH bought was used in the first incarnation of the Frankenstein guitar.


Yep; Ed bought a body from Charvel and ordered a Boogie Bodies (now Warmoth) neck through Wayne's shop. The body Ed bought was cut by Wayne at the Schecter facility using a template made by Tom Anderson, who was a Schecter employee at the time. Schecter and Charvel had the same financial backers at the time so there was some cross-pollination.

Grover Jackson wound up "buying" Charvel from Wayne by assuming Wayne's debt to this financial backing company (and Grover had already taken a 20% to 30% stake in Charvel instead of salary). Charvel never made a body or neck in-house until after Grover took over.

The original Frankenstrat could have that body from Charvel, or it could have an old Fender body - I think the current thought is that it has a Fender body, not that one he bought from Wayne (cut by Wayne at Schecter's shop from the Anderson template).

Around 1985-86 Grover took on financial backing to expand - he got the money to build the larger shop in Ontario, but in the process gave the Charvel name to a line of imported guitars made in Japan, and putting the Jackson name on all the USA models (he had been using "Jackson" on the neck-through models, starting with the prototypes he made for Randy Rhodes prior to his death). The company name also changed from "Charvel/Jackson" to "Jackson/Charvel" at that time, and the MIJ Charvels carried the address of the parent company in Ft. Worth, Texas instead of the California address used by the USA Jackson.

Eventually Grover himself was forced out of the "Jackson/Charvel" company, and it went through a couple of different owners until FMIC bought them in the early 2000s (2003 or 2004).

I have a couple made by Charvel's partner during that time and was under the impression that they were making full guitars when Ed got his. I can ask the old Boogie Bodies owner but I'm pretty sure that he made more than just the neck. Someone on the forum mentioned a rumor that he still has some wood from the same lot that the Frankenstrat came from. If I remember right he dissolved Boogie Bodies just before he teamed up with Charvel - maybe the neck came from his old inventory? He changed to his own headstock design last year but mine have traditional Fender style Tele headstocks. Think my second was the last to leave the shop with a Fender style headstock. He had a few left(so had to settle for a P Bass neck with a Tele headstock instead of a Jazz Bass neck with a Tele headstock) but was reluctant to use them - I only got mine because I was a repeat customer and wanted a matching set. Well, and because he stopped working on mine to build some guitars and a bass for MegaDeath and Too Slim and the Taildraggers. Otherwise he would have finished mine before he changed over. Maybe he got a letter from Fender saying to stop.

BTW - I know he still gets some parts from Warmoth, but I've never heard him mentioning Boogie Bodies BECOMING Warmoth. Maybe he sold the Boogie Bodies company to partner with Charvel.


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