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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 10:57 am
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After nine pages and a number of references to politics, wage differentials and such, it occurs to me there may be one more consideration for those who choose to view the debate using a socially conscious and/or politically minded frame of reference. How much is it worth to a given buyer to know he/she is putting bread and butter on the table of an American Fender worker? Does anyone take that into consideration? I don't know. Have we ever touched on that here or elsewhere?

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:26 am
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The Mexican Strats can sound really good if you mod the wiring and pickups with USA specs however in the long run it will always be the American Stratocaster that will increase in value over time so as an investment its good to own a couple a of American Made Stratocasters and a couple of Mexican Strats that play well but have zero resale value in the end ,,, its kinda like buying an OLD Harley Davidson or a New Kawasaki motorcycle ,, which one is worth more in the long run .... Thanks Everybody at Fender and Happy Holidays to You and Your Family !!!


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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:48 am
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...however in the long run it will always be the American Stratocaster that will increase in value over time


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Perhaps on some other planet Earth in an alternate universe.

The only tangible financial benefit to owning a MIA Fender guitar is that it will depreciate less than an instrument made in Mexico, Japan, or communist China.

Any speculation to the contrary is purely delusional.

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 11:59 am
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Elliot Easton is a lefty guitar player who was in the Band Called " The Cars " and he traveled all the way to my home to see my lefty stratocaster from 1958 and offered me on the spot $10,000 in cash for a Made in USA Stratocaster ,, they are investments and people will pay top dollar if you hold onto it ,,, Mexican Strats will never be woth anything except to play it then sell it for less ,,, My 1919 Knuckhead Harley is worth BIG Bucks but my Kawasaki KZ 1000 is worth squat ,,, invest in American Made Strats and in 30-40-50 years you will see it increase ,,, sincerely yours from someone in the business here in Boston ,,, happy holidays


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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 2:17 pm
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Hi Gang,

An interesting statement that the MIM guitars will never be worth anything. You gents must know something that no one else in the world knows to make such bold proclamation!
The truth is, no one can predict the future. Case in point: 10 years ago, how many people said that the MIK Showmaster guitars, ( mentioned in my earlier post), wouldn't be worth anything in the future? If you look on Ebay now for them, you'll see the HH guitars are selling on average for half what they were when they were new, ($630.00 USD). The S-S-S models, even with the worthless hardware, and wimpy Duncans on it, are selling for approximately the same price they were when they were new, and up! Who could have seen that one coming for Fenders made in Korea? These guitars by the way, are not even built like USA Fenders. They are African Mahogany bodies and necks with a thin laminate top, and glued in necks like Gibsons. With 24 frets, and a 15" radius fretboard, these set-neck guitars, stripped of all the junk hardware and electronics, are being sold as project guitars for 50% of the original price.
So who knows? In the future, as more Fenders are made in China, and the quality really takes a nose dive, it's entirely possible that the MIM Fenders will become "Affordable Vintage" guitars that everyone will be looking for on Ebay, or in second hand music shops everywhere.

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:12 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
Single_Songwriter wrote:
...however in the long run it will always be the American Stratocaster that will increase in value over time


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Perhaps on some other planet Earth in an alternate universe.

The only tangible financial benefit to owning a MIA Fender guitar is that it will depreciate less than an instrument made in Mexico, Japan, or communist China.

Any speculation to the contrary is purely delusional.

Arjay


And you wont have to spend so much to upgrade the shite pickups and bridge like on a Mexican So the expenses will be less on an American too.

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 4:33 pm
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After nine pages and a number of references to politics, wage differentials and such, it occurs to me there may be one more consideration for those who choose to view the debate using a socially conscious and/or politically minded frame of reference. How much is it worth to a given buyer to know he/she is putting bread and butter on the table of an American Fender worker? Does anyone take that into consideration? I don't know. Have we ever touched on that here or elsewhere?



That is exactly why I ordered my brand new American Standard Stratocaster this year not to mention that Fender American Standards are some of the best quality American made guitars for a reasonable price out there. I got American made custom shop Texas Special pickups to replace the ones in it. I sure like my job and I know that Fender factory worker in California does too. I dont have to worry about a Mexican plant worker because none of the younger generation knows what it means to work and save they want everything now, so they buy the cheaper stuff from Mexico it seems.

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:40 pm
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Elliot Easton is a lefty guitar player who was in the Band Called " The Cars " and he traveled all the way to my home to see my lefty stratocaster from 1958 and offered me on the spot $10,000 in cash for a Made in USA Stratocaster ,, they are investments and people will pay top dollar if you hold onto it ,,, Mexican Strats will never be woth anything except to play it then sell it for less ,,, My 1919 Knuckhead Harley is worth BIG Bucks but my Kawasaki KZ 1000 is worth squat ,,, invest in American Made Strats and in 30-40-50 years you will see it increase ,,, sincerely yours from someone in the business here in Boston ,,, happy holidays


BFD!

Lest it escape you, the topic of this thread is the comparative value of two contemporary Fender instruments from different manufacturing locales -- not a discussion regarding electric-guitar esoterica, or an opportunity for you to toot your horn for your alleged business acumen.

Let us know where you hangar your G5 Gulfstream, hotshot.

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 9:45 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
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Elliot Easton is a lefty guitar player who was in the Band Called " The Cars " and he traveled all the way to my home to see my lefty stratocaster from 1958 and offered me on the spot $10,000 in cash for a Made in USA Stratocaster ,, they are investments and people will pay top dollar if you hold onto it ,,, Mexican Strats will never be woth anything except to play it then sell it for less ,,, My 1919 Knuckhead Harley is worth BIG Bucks but my Kawasaki KZ 1000 is worth squat ,,, invest in American Made Strats and in 30-40-50 years you will see it increase ,,, sincerely yours from someone in the business here in Boston ,,, happy holidays


BFD!

Lest it escape you, the topic of this thread is the comparative value of two contemporary Fender instruments from different manufacturing locales -- not a discussion regarding electric-guitar esoterica, or an opportunity for you to toot your horn for your alleged business acumen.

Let us know where you hangar your G5 Gulfstream, hotshot.

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 9:12 pm
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I somewhat agree with Arjay. The thread topic is about comparing MIA to MIM. Most certainly not vintage 58. Which is irrelevant since there was not a mexican plant in the late 50's.

As for the name dropping, I think most of us knew who Elliot Easton is.
Equally so for the investment principle of guitars, you could not find a a more risk averse product to wager on a return for investment than an electric guitar.
It is impossible to predict the future and it may very well be that in 50 years, we'll be so digitized that most of our analog design based instrumentation will be completely obsolete.... But who knows, certainly none of us in the present.
I'm sure of one thing investment wise. Guitars are the last thing I would consider as a financial security. Much more like penny stocks... :wink:

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53magnatone wrote:
I somewhat agree with Arjay. The thread topic is about comparing MIA to MIM.



Aren't they all?

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 2:40 am
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...If you look on Ebay now for them, you'll see the HH guitars are selling...


Selling price and asking price are often two entirely different things. Check the "completed listings" to see what they actually sold for. Asking price means nothing if it doesn't sell for that price. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 4:51 am
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53magnatone wrote:
... it may very well be that in 50 years, we'll be so digitized that most of our analog design based instrumentation will be completely obsolete.... But who knows, certainly none of us in the present.
I'm sure of one thing investment wise. Guitars are the last thing I would consider as a financial security. Much more like penny stocks... :wink:


Consider those record shops who ditched their vinyl stocks for next to nothing to swap over the CD's. Now, since the iPod, CD's are almost obsolete while vinyl is making a comeback.

When solid state amps arrived you couldn't give away tube amps initially.

After 50 years the Strat has changed almost not at all so I think it is reasonably safe for another 50 years. :D

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Sat Dec 26, 2015 5:18 am
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donnycraven wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
Single_Songwriter wrote:
...however in the long run it will always be the American Stratocaster that will increase in value over time


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Perhaps on some other planet Earth in an alternate universe.

The only tangible financial benefit to owning a MIA Fender guitar is that it will depreciate less than an instrument made in Mexico, Japan, or communist China.

Any speculation to the contrary is purely delusional.

Arjay


And you wont have to spend so much to upgrade the shite pickups and bridge like on a Mexican So the expenses will be less on an American too.


A valid point but it is all speculation. As has been noted previously, a non MIA Strat is (generally) cheaper to start with so, even if it sells for half of its original price you may still have lost less than selling a MIA at 3/4 its original price.

When you look at the price of Strats years ago, and consider inflation, cost of living etc. they are all cheaper new now than they were 20 years ago. You could sell a 20 year old Strat which you bought new for £500 and get close to £1000 for it but you will still have lost money. 20 year old £500 is worth a damn sight more than £1000 today, if you get my drift. And the further back you go the more it becomes true.

If you compare the price of Strat to that of the percentage to a small family car of the day even our modest friends $10,000 windfall looks like a loss.

So, in summary, the whole MIA is worth more/a better investment etc. argument is moot.

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Post subject: Re: American Strats ARE better than MIMs? Your thoughts.
Posted: Sun Dec 27, 2015 8:01 am
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I have never bought a guitar with the concern of its resale value or as an investment. I really couldn't care less. To me it is so irrelevant. I judge a guitar solely on its basis as a musical instrument that suits my needs. The CS 56 NOS strat was bought because i loved the guitar and how it sounded and felt.. The price was right. Same with the mim FSR black strat. highly figured neck, great player and it is the start sound i liked.

Has to also be said I run straight plug in, no pedals or boost. They are unnecessary if you use the correct amps for my own particular sound. The only exception is a mid 60's Vox Wah which I use as a tone color. I actually despise the work needed to get any pedals to be practical.
But I also run small amps... A 64 Magnatone Classic. A Fender Pro Junior. I just bought a Ramparte, a very loud 9 watt vintage styled Fender. It's part of the pawn shop limited line. 2 channels one cold and one hot. Other than an old Champ, it is the closest I have heard to a vintage tube / valve amp in quite some time. Its a tweed paisley outer cover in a tobacco and caramel color. Just a small Ramparte logo, Fender on the backside.
Also just bought a 12" lower cab to mate to a Blues Deluxe or a Blues Junior.
There are a few more guitars here and there but resale is never the reason to buy this or that.

Still have well over 400 vinyls dating back to early 60's, 70's and 80's pressing. I rarely play them but neither are they for speculative appreciation. Only aural :?

To each their own, but I think the emphasis is lost when an instrument is based on its intrinsic value rather than it's musical potential. There are instruments out there ( if some can be called that ) that are absolute crap but are valued at an unrealistic price. Danelectro's come to mind as many of the old harmony guitars and their ilk... Hanging them on a wall as a conversation piece is about their worth... But YMMV

Where investment is concerned, real estate, Index funds, 401 K's ( reputable company with track record ) and certain stocks based on relevant global events are where sensible investments are made.. Not on musical instruments which rely totally on the whims of a market driven solely by popularity...

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