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Post subject: tuning machine standard
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 9:38 am
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sorry for the dumb question
I read in some forums that the tuning machine of the guitar must be tightened
(as you can see from the pictures I took from the web)

http://www.guitarmigi.it/_Setup/Fender/FndAS/FndAs02.jpg

but in my AM STD made in the USA at the first change of strings I noticed that all the nuts were loose ....
this was like from the factory ....

How should the tuning machine?
tightened or closed only with finger pressure?


thanks,
Andrea


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Post subject: Re: tuning machine standard
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:32 am
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I don't think it is a dumb question at all and am interested that yours were loose.

They shouldn't be.

You can/should tighten them but you don't want to over torque them and strip the threads.

With the correct sized spanner, and the strings removed or loose, I would tighten the nuts (they aren't bolts) holding the spanner close to the end that the nuts are (so you don't generate too much force) so you feel reasonable resistance but don't go mad. - You can re-tighten a nut if you didn't do it enough, but you can't if you strip the thread.

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Post subject: Re: tuning machine standard
Posted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:54 am
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thanks for confirming john ...
I thought it was just tighten the nuts ...
I when I changed the strings with the correct key I have them tightened ...

PS: the guitar was new when I bought it and I've found the same thing on a squier affinity stratocaster that I bought recently.

Andrea


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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 5:17 am
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In an ideal world, those tuners should have been nice and snug on a brand new instrument (Fender, Squier or otherwise). The reality of the situation however is that yea...it happens. I've even seen a brand new guitar or two where the neck was just a bit loose.

I can't speak so much to other brands, however Fender (including instruments produced with the Squier name) tends to do full setups on their instruments at the factory. That said however, after it's been setup and checked by QC, it goes into a shipping box/container of some kind and goes into a warehouse waiting to fill and order. Then it's shipped (via ground, air or both) to a store or even another warehouse somewhere and all along the way the instrument may be subject to a variety of environmental conditions. Whether the instrument goes to a catalog company or a brick and mortar store, there's a VERY good chance the instrument was never even checked before it was sold...and in the case of the large brick and mortar stores such as Guitar Center and Sam Ash, etc., it may have been thumped on by every weekend wanker who set foot in that store. Sometimes that instrument may have even been re-shipped to another store or warehouse for sale. The thing to remember - guitars (as in bodies and necks) are made of wood and wood WILL expand and contract with heat, humidity, etc., and most guitars are subject to more than a degree of vibration during shipping and as such, nuts, bolts and screws CAN come loose... 'tis the nature of the beast. Some stores -may- do a bit of a setup on the more expensive instruments, but not always...many guitar shops these days don't even have decent techs.

In other words, your average "new" guitar can very well have some mileage on it long before it reaches your hands.


I will add that personally, it's not something I really get too concerned over. It's not really a big deal for me to use a wrench or screwdriver to tighten something that's simply loose (assuming everything else is fine). I do my own setups anyways (I -know- how I like my instruments setup), so new or used, 9 out of 10 times I usually give the instrument a good thorough once over soon after I get it...I may play it for a week or two just to see if/what she needs, but with the majority of my instruments, they usually get a bit of a tune up very soon after I get them. Hell...most the time I'm thinkin' "mods" before I even pay for a given instrument, LOL!!! Whenever I'm looking at a new (or used) guitar, I'm not only looking at what the guitar "is", but also what it could be.


So yea...loose tuner ferrule? Tighten it. :-)

Just my own $.02 worth.


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Posted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 1:46 pm
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lomitus wrote:
In an ideal world, those tuners should have been nice and snug on a brand new instrument (Fender, Squier or otherwise). The reality of the situation however is that yea...it happens. I've even seen a brand new guitar or two where the neck was just a bit loose.

I can't speak so much to other brands, however Fender (including instruments produced with the Squier name) tends to do full setups on their instruments at the factory. That said however, after it's been setup and checked by QC, it goes into a shipping box/container of some kind and goes into a warehouse waiting to fill and order. Then it's shipped (via ground, air or both) to a store or even another warehouse somewhere and all along the way the instrument may be subject to a variety of environmental conditions. Whether the instrument goes to a catalog company or a brick and mortar store, there's a VERY good chance the instrument was never even checked before it was sold...and in the case of the large brick and mortar stores such as Guitar Center and Sam Ash, etc., it may have been thumped on by every weekend wanker who set foot in that store. Sometimes that instrument may have even been re-shipped to another store or warehouse for sale. The thing to remember - guitars (as in bodies and necks) are made of wood and wood WILL expand and contract with heat, humidity, etc., and most guitars are subject to more than a degree of vibration during shipping and as such, nuts, bolts and screws CAN come loose... 'tis the nature of the beast. Some stores -may- do a bit of a setup on the more expensive instruments, but not always...many guitar shops these days don't even have decent techs.

In other words, your average "new" guitar can very well have some mileage on it long before it reaches your hands.


I will add that personally, it's not something I really get too concerned over. It's not really a big deal for me to use a wrench or screwdriver to tighten something that's simply loose (assuming everything else is fine). I do my own setups anyways (I -know- how I like my instruments setup), so new or used, 9 out of 10 times I usually give the instrument a good thorough once over soon after I get it...I may play it for a week or two just to see if/what she needs, but with the majority of my instruments, they usually get a bit of a tune up very soon after I get them. Hell...most the time I'm thinkin' "mods" before I even pay for a given instrument, LOL!!! Whenever I'm looking at a new (or used) guitar, I'm not only looking at what the guitar "is", but also what it could be.


So yea...loose tuner ferrule? Tighten it. :-)

Just my own $.02 worth.


I totally agree with you ...
I agree with everything you've said,

I have no problem with manual work in mechanics,
when I changed the strings for the first time with the right key, I tightened the nuts

I was hoping to have done the right thing.

Thanks for the confirmation, I am a beginner ....


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