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Post subject: An aged strat...
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 2:54 pm
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Why do people like naturaly aged strats more than new ones? is it the sound? if you had 2 of the exact same strats, but one was older, what would sound better?

BTW what does an aged maple neck look like? how long will it take for a strat to look/sound aged?


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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 3:28 pm
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How long does it take for a strat to look aged? Well, if your strat has a poly finish, it should be sometime around the birth of your great, great grandchildren.

Too much depends on how it's used. Is it a bedroom guitar? Is it gigged regularly? There's really no way to determine how fast a guitar will age.

Considering that no two strats sound exactly the same, you can't really say if a relic'd guitar sounded different then a new guitar. Again, too many variables.

The main reason most people here would prefer to let their guitars age naturally is they want the damage to reflect themselves. Their dings and dents, not paid for dings and dents. We can't see paying extra for what we can do ourselves over time. They really don't sound different, unless you've completely removed the finish...then the guitar might be a bit more resonant.

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I'm sure that you will get about 1000 different opinions on this one.

I think that sound is a seperate issue. Every guitar regardless of age can sound good.

I think the aged guitar represents character. It's like buying a brand new car vs that car you had when you finished high school. One is squeky clean and the otherhas been through good times and bad times and has character.

Like Han Solo says "She may not look like much but she's got it where it counts.

It's the same reason that chicks dig scars. Adds character and every mark has a great story.

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Adds character and every mark has a great story.


That's why I'd rather relic my guitar the normal way. I want to be able to say where each and every ding came from. It's part of the guitars story.

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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 4:46 pm
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Rock*Star wrote:
Why do people like naturaly aged strats more than new ones? is it the sound? if you had 2 of the exact same strats, but one was older, what would sound better?

BTW what does an aged maple neck look like? how long will it take for a strat to look/sound aged?

i have 2 original vintage strats 1968 and 1970
they both have aged the look and tone are simply sweet.


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Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:19 pm
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Playability is another factor. I played a 66 Mustang the other day and I'm sold on the vintage phenomenon. The neck has all the finish worn off the back and it's nice and smooth. Thing plays like butter. It just has unbeatable mojo, unattainable by an intentional relicing process. I'm not even a relicing hater. I just draw a very clear line between that and natural aging.

I would say the obsession with age is a combination between playability (from being so broken in) and mojo (for total lack of a better word).


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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:21 am
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Aged things are becoming more and more fashionable (for lack of a better word).
It's like jeans, you can hardly even find a new-looking pair of jeans anymore, because the worn look is appealing to alot of people.
Same thing with Rat rods. When they paint them, they're actually intentionally giving them a patina, to make them appear 'original'.

Personally, I'd rather play it for 10 years, let it will age naturally!

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How long does it take for a strat to look aged? Well, if your strat has a poly finish, it should be sometime around the birth of your great, great grandchildren.

Too much depends on how it's used. Is it a bedroom guitar? Is it gigged regularly? There's really no way to determine how fast a guitar will age.

Considering that no two strats sound exactly the same, you can't really say if a relic'd guitar sounded different then a new guitar. Again, too many variables.

The main reason most people here would prefer to let their guitars age naturally is they want the damage to reflect themselves. Their dings and dents, not paid for dings and dents. We can't see paying extra for what we can do ourselves over time. They really don't sound different, unless you've completely removed the finish...then the guitar might be a bit more resonant.

my 68 and 70 strat 40 and 38 years to get
the vintage look i'm working on getteing a new web cam
so i can send vidio of my baby's


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highwayoneplayer wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
How long does it take for a strat to look aged? Well, if your strat has a poly finish, it should be sometime around the birth of your great, great grandchildren.

Too much depends on how it's used. Is it a bedroom guitar? Is it gigged regularly? There's really no way to determine how fast a guitar will age.

Considering that no two strats sound exactly the same, you can't really say if a relic'd guitar sounded different then a new guitar. Again, too many variables.

The main reason most people here would prefer to let their guitars age naturally is they want the damage to reflect themselves. Their dings and dents, not paid for dings and dents. We can't see paying extra for what we can do ourselves over time. They really don't sound different, unless you've completely removed the finish...then the guitar might be a bit more resonant.

my 68 and 70 strat 40 and 38 years to get
the vintage look i'm working on getteing a new web cam
so i can send vidio of my baby's
What color is that 1968 That is the first year of the polyester finish. Plus whats the finger board and head stock look like?

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cvilleira wrote:
highwayoneplayer wrote:
cryingstrat wrote:
How long does it take for a strat to look aged? Well, if your strat has a poly finish, it should be sometime around the birth of your great, great grandchildren.

Too much depends on how it's used. Is it a bedroom guitar? Is it gigged regularly? There's really no way to determine how fast a guitar will age.

Considering that no two strats sound exactly the same, you can't really say if a relic'd guitar sounded different then a new guitar. Again, too many variables.

The main reason most people here would prefer to let their guitars age naturally is they want the damage to reflect themselves. Their dings and dents, not paid for dings and dents. We can't see paying extra for what we can do ourselves over time. They really don't sound different, unless you've completely removed the finish...then the guitar might be a bit more resonant.

my 68 and 70 strat 40 and 38 years to get
the vintage look i'm working on getteing a new web cam
so i can send vidio of my baby's
What color is that 1968 That is the first year of the polyester finish. Plus whats the finger board and head stock look like?

it's now a off white (aged)with maple finger board
and a large head stock. my dad god rest his soul
bought me this guitar for my 11 birthday back in 1973.
i think he paid $400 for it back in 1973 he found it
at manny's mussic in new york city. in 2006 i was
offerd $30,000 dollars for it . i will never sell it.
all my guitars and amp will go to my son.


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highwayoneplayer wrote:
it's now a off white (aged)with maple finger board
and a large head stock. my dad god rest his soul
bought me this guitar for my 11 birthday back in 1973.
i think he paid $400 for it back in 1973 he found it
at manny's mussic in new york city. in 2006 i was
offerd $30,000 dollars for it . i will never sell it.
all my guitars and amp will go to my son.


Very cool story, and I am sure your son be grateful.

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cu_jarrett wrote:
highwayoneplayer wrote:
it's now a off white (aged)with maple finger board
and a large head stock. my dad god rest his soul
bought me this guitar for my 11 birthday back in 1973.
i think he paid $400 for it back in 1973 he found it
at manny's mussic in new york city. in 2006 i was
offerd $30,000 dollars for it . i will never sell it.
all my guitars and amp will go to my son.


Very cool story, and I am sure your son be grateful.


It is cool ,I plan on doing the same thing. My problem is that both my daughter and son want my equipment. I guess I'll let them or their mother make the decision


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Regarding the original question posted: there's too many variables to your question and any answer can be subject to quantification...

I've played vintage guitars that were junk and I've played new guitars that were awesome (and vice versa). I've played cheap hecho-en-Mexico electrics that sounded and felt better than high-dollar custom-made instruments (and vice versa). Everything is relative.

Having said that, there is an inherent coolness/mojo factor that only a vintage axe will give you. My 1964 Ford is eons cooler than my 2001 Chrysler, but I like and use each of them for different reasons.

One other problem--try to get a straight definition of vintage nowadays--when I started playing 20 years ago, vintage unofficially ended at 1964; anything after that was just an "older" instrument. The early 70s Strats and Teles that people used to turn their noses up at are now commanding large coin.

And remember, Eric Clapton bought five mid-to-late 50s Strats in the early seventies for less than $800...and then switched the necks and electronics around until he got his favorite combinations, thus creating "Blackie" and "Brownie"...a person who did that in this day and age would be strung up or burned at the stake as sacreligious! The line between "old" and "vintage" is blurry indeed.

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Screamin' Armadillo wrote:
Regarding the original question posted: there's too many variables to your question and any answer can be subject to quantification...

I've played vintage guitars that were junk and I've played new guitars that were awesome (and vice versa). I've played cheap hecho-en-Mexico electrics that sounded and felt better than high-dollar custom-made instruments (and vice versa). Everything is relative.

Having said that, there is an inherent coolness/mojo factor that only a vintage axe will give you. My 1964 Ford is eons cooler than my 2001 Chrysler, but I like and use each of them for different reasons.

One other problem--try to get a straight definition of vintage nowadays--when I started playing 20 years ago, vintage unofficially ended at 1964; anything after that was just an "older" instrument. The early 70s Strats and Teles that people used to turn their noses up at are now commanding large coin.

And remember, Eric Clapton bought five mid-to-late 50s Strats in the early seventies for less than $800...and then switched the necks and electronics around until he got his favorite combinations, thus creating "Blackie" and "Brownie"...a person who did that in this day and age would be strung up or burned at the stake as sacreligious! The line between "old" and "vintage" is blurry indeed.

What is valuable is all in the hands and between the ears, folks.

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highwayoneplayer wrote:
cvilleira wrote:
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How long does it take for a strat to look aged? Well, if your strat has a poly finish, it should be sometime around the birth of your great, great grandchildren.

Too much depends on how it's used. Is it a bedroom guitar? Is it gigged regularly? There's really no way to determine how fast a guitar will age.

Considering that no two strats sound exactly the same, you can't really say if a relic'd guitar sounded different then a new guitar. Again, too many variables.

The main reason most people here would prefer to let their guitars age naturally is they want the damage to reflect themselves. Their dings and dents, not paid for dings and dents. We can't see paying extra for what we can do ourselves over time. They really don't sound different, unless you've completely removed the finish...then the guitar might be a bit more resonant.

my 68 and 70 strat 40 and 38 years to get
the vintage look i'm working on getteing a new web cam
so i can send vidio of my baby's
What color is that 1968 That is the first year of the polyester finish. Plus whats the finger board and head stock look like?

it's now a off white (aged)with maple finger board
and a large head stock. my dad god rest his soul
bought me this guitar for my 11 birthday back in 1973.
i think he paid $400 for it back in 1973 he found it
at manny's mussic in new york city. in 2006 i was
offerd $30,000 dollars for it . i will never sell it.
all my guitars and amp will go to my son.
I would have taken the 30,000 thats 18,000 over book that a mint conditioned one sells for and since yours has been refinished that would have been that much better deal for you. Sentiment is one thing but that much profit.

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