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Post subject: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 9:51 pm
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Hi, When I was a teen in the 70`s I had a hard tail American made Sunburst Strat, maple fret board, I believe bought new in 71/72, my first real guitar, I learned a lot on it, sadly it was stolen at some point 20 or so years ago. But to my point, Id really like to get one of these again, however these are a bit different.
Mine had a 3 point triangular neck plate bolting neck to body, and it also had a small access hole for a micro-tilt adjust (I think it was called?) I was never certain what for and never used it. I believe it also had what is referred to as D profile neck, but I may be wrong, and somewhat less important, but still so, white pick guard/pickups and a only a 3 way switch (you had to balance between positions yourself). I'm wondering if I could still get these features so I could get a more authentic replica of my lost 70's hardtail?


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Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 10:01 pm
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SmokinJon wrote:
Hi, When I was a teen in the 70`s I had a hard tail American made Sunburst Strat, maple fret board, I believe bought new in 71/72, my first real guitar, I learned a lot on it, sadly it was stolen at some point 20 or so years ago. But to my point, Id really like to get one of these again, however these are a bit different.
Mine had a 3 point triangular neck plate bolting neck to body, and it also had a small access hole for a micro-tilt adjust (I think it was called?) I was never certain what for and never used it. I believe it also had what is referred to as D profile neck, but I may be wrong, and somewhat less important, but still so, white pick guard/pickups and a only a 3 way switch (you had to balance between positions yourself). I'm wondering if I could still get these features so I could get a more authentic replica of my lost 70's hardtail?


Hey John the micro tilt adjustment is something fender uses to eliminate the need to shim necks, when adjusting the neck angle, it appears that the 70's hardtail reissue does not have the micro tilt feature looking at the pics. It also states that it has a 5 way selector, even better because now you can put the switch in between the pup positions for more tonal control. It has a C profile neck also, I like it, it feels really comfortable to me.

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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Sat Mar 07, 2015 11:58 pm
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Nothing surprising there, it's a stock American Special Strat with a hardtail bridge. Some features such as the easygliders, modern Schaller cast-sealed tuners, 9.5' radius and 22 medium-jumbo frets are not period-correct for a Strat from that vintage.


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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 12:02 am
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chromeface wrote:
Nothing surprising there, it's a stock American Special Strat with a hardtail bridge. Some features such as the easygliders, modern Schaller cast-sealed tuners, 9.5' radius and 22 medium-jumbo frets are not period-correct for a Strat from that vintage.


Just sticking a hardtail bridge and giving it a vintage reissue name. You would think if it was a proper reissue they would follow the specs for the original.

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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 1:08 am
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Heid68 wrote:
chromeface wrote:
Nothing surprising there, it's a stock American Special Strat with a hardtail bridge. Some features such as the easygliders, modern Schaller cast-sealed tuners, 9.5' radius and 22 medium-jumbo frets are not period-correct for a Strat from that vintage.


Just sticking a hardtail bridge and giving it a vintage reissue name. You would think if it was a proper reissue they would follow the specs for the original.


I agree, particularly when someone such as the OP wants to rekindle a relationship with a past love.

It would be like Ford saying their GT is reissue of the GT40. Both may have some similar characteristics but they are not the same just made 40 years apart.

Ford doesn't make that claim but I am given to wonder if Fender is contravening some Trade Description, or another, in suggesting such.

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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:39 am
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I don't get these at all, what about them is 1970? the only thing correct in the name is hard tail. My first good strat was an early 1971, before they made all the bad changes, it still had 4 bolt neck plate, pat pend saddles, no bullet truss rod, it was basically like a 69'. I really hate when they call something a specific year and it's not even close, like when the custom shop just put out a 60th 1954 with jumbo frets, 9.5 radius, quarter sawn neck??? nothing about those features is from 1954!


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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:19 am
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I don't get these at all, what about them is 1970? the only thing correct in the name is hard tail. My first good strat was an early 1971, before they made all the bad changes, it still had 4 bolt neck plate, pat pend saddles, no bullet truss rod, it was basically like a 69'. I really hate when they call something a specific year and it's not even close, like when the custom shop just put out a 60th 1954 with jumbo frets, 9.5 radius, quarter sawn neck??? nothing about those features is from 1954!


Supposedly they have 70s-style pickups - so I suppose the pickups would be lower output with that kind of nasal quality that 70s Strats had.

They are just using "70s"; Fender generally doesn't peg a model to a specific year when it deviates from the actual specs of that year. For example, that AVRI '70s model they had up until 2012 wasn't pegged to a specific year because they didn't use that cast trem that CBS/Fender used through most of the 70s; it used the same vintage trem with the steel block and bent saddles that the AVRI '57 and AVRI '62 used.

However, as I've posted before, this one should never have had the word "Vintage" in the name; it's an American Special Hardtail with 70s-style pickups. The name they are using implies it's a reissue; it's not. It's a modern hardtail with the reissue pickups.


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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 7:51 am
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"I'm wondering if I could still get these features so I could get a more authentic replica of my lost 70's hardtail?"

The "classic series" has more 70's guitar options than the hardtail and for less money. Its easier imo to set the bridge on the deck or hardtail it yourself....
Bullet truss
U shaped neck
3 bolt neck
F stamps
micro tilt
7.25" neck radius

http://www.fender.com/guitars/stratocaster/classic-series-70s-stratocaster/0137002321.html#start=1


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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Sun Mar 08, 2015 10:52 am
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The "Classic Series 70s" Strat is just that, it is NOT a RI, and Fender never called it that. The newer 70s Strat does use the word "Vintage" in the name, and it has a 70s vibe, but still not a RI, and Fender doesn't call it that either. The Classic Series 70s does have the three-bolt neck, the Micro-Tilt, and the bullet truss rod adjust, so it is closer to the actual 70s models, but is NOT a RI. People should stop adding the term "RI" to guitars that are not RIs, and were not intended to be, and were not named that, otherwise Fender would "RI" a guitar from a specific year as they have always done. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 7:56 am
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Thanks for all the responses, and didn't mean any offense to Fender, assumedly as one suggested I could look to another reissue for 70's features and "hardtail it". However not sure how the big chunk of wood removed for tremolo system may affect the more intricate acoustical qualities of sound, realizing that these could be different between any 2 of the exact same features, from a different part of the same tree. I guess if I really want this Ill have to have it custom made, at a bit more than the $300 used, I paid in 1971 :(.
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Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 9:15 am
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Does the Classic Series 70s have the smaller belly cut?


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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Mon Mar 30, 2015 10:48 am
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The 70's Classic Series Strat body's contours are less dramatic than the earlier instruments -- just as they were with the original guitars of the CBS era.

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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 7:49 am
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I just picked one of these up a couple weeks ago. After giving it a setup it has been GREAT!! What a cool guitar, I had to tweak my amp a bit for the SC because I have used nothing but humbuckers for 30 plus years. I love the middle and neck tone but I'm not liking the bridge so much. Not sure if its the hardtail but I am getting a sweet sustain! 8) It definitely has that "strat" sound , I am having alot of fun with her so far :D


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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 8:23 pm
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Gotlivin wrote:
I just picked one of these up a couple weeks ago. After giving it a setup it has been GREAT!! What a cool guitar, I had to tweak my amp a bit for the SC because I have used nothing but humbuckers for 30 plus years. I love the middle and neck tone but I'm not liking the bridge so much. Not sure if its the hardtail but I am getting a sweet sustain! 8) It definitely has that "strat" sound , I am having alot of fun with her so far :D

Nothing but humbuckers for 30 plus years? Guessing that you miss the bridge tone control of a Les Paul. Although Leo didn't seem to think they were needed, I like to use a jumper wire so that I can use the neck tone pot to control tone on the bridge pickup.


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Post subject: Re: New 2015 70's Strat Hard Tails
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 2:22 am
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shimmilou wrote:
The "Classic Series 70s" Strat is just that, it is NOT a RI, and Fender never called it that. :wink:


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People understand what they want ( wish ? ) same with Custom Series amps . These are not reissue .


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