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Post subject: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 12:02 am
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In the mid sixties fender switched from .1uF tone caps to .047 - anybody know why?

I think I've got it narrowed down to:

a better match to the rosewood necks that were becoming more popular
the switch from ash to alder
to try to compensate for the monkey metal saddles
or brighter for the way rock n roll was evolving and the rockabilly sound

Any input?


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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:06 am
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The Fender Stratocaster By A.R . Duchossoir page 56

"Around 1970 the capacitor value of the tone control was first changed from .01 mfd to .05 mfd in order to achieve a slightly brigter sound "

.047 same as .05


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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 2:13 am
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Around 1970? I hope it wasn't changed to accommodate disco!

Was thinking was around 1965 though. Thanks for clearing it up!


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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:05 am
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fenderfan wrote:
Around 1970? I hope it wasn't changed to accommodate disco!

Was thinking was around 1965 though. Thanks for clearing it up!



Disco was in 1980 in my opinion . 1970 , a great rock area


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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 3:31 am
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stratele52 wrote:
1970 , a great rock area


+1

The 1970's gave us Wishbone Ash, Free, Crabby Appleton, T-Rex, Argent, Montrose, Boston, Derek & The Dominos, and many other fine bands.

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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 4:12 am
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Probably the advances made in other areas of sound systems also had something to do with this - better recording systems, amps, speakers etc. came along, so there was equipment that could reproduce the added highs, overtones etc.


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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:09 am
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stratele52 wrote:
fenderfan wrote:
Around 1970? I hope it wasn't changed to accommodate disco!

Was thinking was around 1965 though. Thanks for clearing it up!



Disco was in 1980 in my opinion . 1970 , a great rock area


I must be getting old. Seems like we had disco at high school dances in the 70's. A lot of good rock on the radio too though. Blasting the Black Sabbath cassette in the car. Good times!


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Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:13 am
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'70 !

You where right not in '80 , but december 1979 :lol:

Disco may begin earlier on some country


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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2015 5:37 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
stratele52 wrote:
1970 , a great rock area


+1

The 1970's gave us Wishbone Ash, Free, Crabby Appleton, T-Rex, Argent, Montrose, Boston, Derek & The Dominos, and many other fine bands.

Arjay


Leo Sayer, Taste of Honey, Debby Boone, Barry Manilow, Starland Vocal Band, The Captain and Tennille, Donny and Marie Osmond, John Travolta, Helen Reddy, Gilbert O'Sullivan, The Carpenters, Tom Jones, The Partridge Family, Starbuck, KC and the Sunshine Band, Bay City Rollers, David Soul, Shaun Cassidy, Engelbert Humperdinck

The list goes on and on :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 3:23 pm
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One of the best changes I made to my strat was yanking the 0.022 mfd and putting in a 0.1 mfd.

My theory as to why they switched: big amps + high volume led to widespread hearing loss among guitar players and the self-perception that they didn't have enough treble. So they decided to ice-pick up their guitars.


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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:42 pm
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Wayne2 wrote:
One of the best changes I made to my strat was yanking the 0.022 mfd and putting in a 0.1 mfd.

My theory as to why they switched: big amps + high volume led to widespread hearing loss among guitar players and the self-perception that they didn't have enough treble. So they decided to ice-pick up their guitars.


Did you have more of a vintage 50's sound after the cap change?


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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:56 pm
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the .1uf was for the guitarist to also be a bass player. as more bass guitars came out there wasn't as much need for that so the brighter cap was put in to (as someone wrote) ice pick the guitar. a .047uf is somewhat brighter but still has the ability to let the guitar get more "jazzy" sounding without getting as muddy as the .1uf cap. with either cap installed if you turn up the amp you can get that famous "woman tone" with the tone turned to 1 or do a "faux wah" (rory gallagher style) with the tone knob.


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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 8:20 pm
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I remember hating disco as early as 1976. It began in Paris. Disco was the name given to the (then) new dance music being played at clubs called Discotheques. It's one of the few things in life I've been completely consistent on. The new dance music is just as loathsome and I hate it just as much.
Rap, Hip-Hop, Rave, Dance, Techno ...
Whatever they call it, it's all the same to me.

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Post subject: Re: Why the switch from .1uF caps to .047uF?
Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 10:52 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
I remember hating disco as early as 1976. It began in Paris. Disco was the name given to the (then) new dance music being played at clubs called Discotheques. It's one of the few things in life I've been completely consistent on. The new dance music is just as loathsome and I hate it just as much.
Rap, Hip-Hop, Rave, Dance, Techno ...
Whatever they call it, it's all the same to me.


Graduated High School in the 70's and remember disco on some radio stations and good music on others. Seems like was finally dying out around 1980. At least I think I remember it. Memories of the 70's are kind of fuzzy somehow.


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Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2015 12:51 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
....It's one of the few things in life I've been completely consistent on. The new dance music is just as loathsome and I hate it just as much.
Rap, Hip-Hop, Rave, Dance, Techno ...
Whatever they call it, it's all the same to me.


Ditto.

Saturday Night Fever was 1977 so disco existed before that but was made more popular by the (hateful) film.

I seem to recall, with the exception Radio Caroline, music radio was àlmost impossible to stomach during my growing up.

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