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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:48 am
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GOOD LORD, REBECCA......YOU'VE GOT YOUR CORSET LACED TOO TIGHTLY AGAIN!

Perhaps if you restricted the display of your 'masterpieces' to Sunnybrook Farm where it's buttermilk and biscuits every day, you wouldn't ever have to entertain a dissenting opinion.

Get a grip!

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:51 am
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Retroverbial wrote:
GOOD LORD, REBECCA......YOU'VE GOT YOUR CORSET LACED TOO TIGHTLY AGAIN!

Perhaps if you restricted the display of your 'masterpieces' to Sunnybrook Farm where it's buttermilk and biscuits every day, you wouldn't ever have to entertain a dissenting opinion.

Get a grip!



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Perhaps if you chilled out a bit with being such a condescending holier then thou douche tard there would be no need for such negativity on the forum and we could "respect" each others opinions rather then character assassination and insulting others livelihoods and love. So far you seem to be fine with tossing around insults of others peoples work..... any pics of your relic jobs? Or are you too good to ever own or build a relic or better yet get paid for it?

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 12:15 pm
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I'm fine insulting your......work......because it's so damn deserving.

What I *do* is repair and restore vintage Fender amps. I'm quite proficient at it and have a world-wide clientele, as many of my customers who frequent this very forum may wish to attest. Often, I work my miracles pro bono for those souls I am proud to call friends. I've transformed basket cases into fully functioning museum-worthy pieces and if my talents make me seem to be an arrogant sonofabitch, I shall wear that jacket with pride. Beat and batter your guitars to death if that is your wont. Just don't expect everyone to ooh and aah while wetting their panties at the mere sight of your creations.

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 2:44 pm
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I'll tell you what...when you're finally finished with your guitar take it down to GC and tell them you want to trade it in. I'm rolling off the chair thinking about it.


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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:56 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
I'm fine insulting your......work......because it's so damn deserving.

What I *do* is repair and restore vintage Fender amps. I'm quite proficient at it and have a world-wide clientele, as many of my customers who frequent this very forum may wish to attest. Often, I work my miracles pro bono for those souls I am proud to call friends. I've transformed basket cases into fully functioning museum-worthy pieces and if my talents make me seem to be an arrogant sonofabitch, I shall wear that jacket with pride. Beat and batter your guitars to death if that is your wont. Just don't expect everyone to ooh and aah while wetting their panties at the mere sight of your creations.

Arjay


I did not ask what you do.... I asked to see the relic you built. And you have not built one yet you insult mine. So far ALL you have proven to be is a stubborn arrogant troll... and this is why you are even on a topic regarding relics....so you can sow discord and be an $@!&#*% and insult others work or tastes just because for some reason you do not like them. I happen to also do restorations myself and they come out great. But I am not here to insult your work or compare who can do a better resto.....I am here to tell you to stop behind a judgmental asshat on the forums.

But here nor there it does not even matter what you think of my work because regardless of that or your hardon for relics, I WILL continue to build them as requested... AND my customers will be happy to pay me for it.

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 5:59 pm
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tvr1979 wrote:
I'll tell you what...when you're finally finished with your guitar take it down to GC and tell them you want to trade it in. I'm rolling off the chair thinking about it.


I will tell YOU what you moron who is commenting and not even reading the posts. The guitar is long ago finished and sold. I do not do builds to trade to a retailer you arrogant talentless asstard,. but I build them to my customers specs. just posted those pics in various stages for those actually interested in relics... not to get the "opinion" of internet forum trolls who have absolutely NOTHING of value to add but just insult other people for simply having different tastes then you do. You know who else does that??? Bratty little children.

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:49 pm
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ebaysux wrote:
tvr1979 wrote:
I'll tell you what...when you're finally finished with your guitar take it down to GC and tell them you want to trade it in. I'm rolling off the chair thinking about it.


I will tell YOU what you moron who is commenting and not even reading the posts. The guitar is long ago finished and sold. I do not do builds to trade to a retailer you arrogant talentless asstard,. but I build them to my customers specs. just posted those pics in various stages for those actually interested in relics... not to get the "opinion" of internet forum trolls who have absolutely NOTHING of value to add but just insult other people for simply having different tastes then you do. You know who else does that??? Bratty little children.

Look in the mirror, you just described yourself. :roll:


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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:04 pm
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ebaysux wrote:
tvr1979 wrote:
I'll tell you what...when you're finally finished with your guitar take it down to GC and tell them you want to trade it in. I'm rolling off the chair thinking about it.


I will tell YOU what you moron who is commenting and not even reading the posts. The guitar is long ago finished and sold. I do not do builds to trade to a retailer you arrogant talentless asstard,. but I build them to my customers specs. just posted those pics in various stages for those actually interested in relics... not to get the "opinion" of internet forum trolls who have absolutely NOTHING of value to add but just insult other people for simply having different tastes then you do. You know who else does that??? Bratty little children.

Look in the mirror, you just described yourself. :roll:


Why is that? Because I refuse to allow some of you to get away with your bullying? Or should I not defend myself or attack back when I am simply pointing out exactly how some of you are behaving on the forum? Granted in hindsight I should have taken the high road and just ignored the insults and provcation from the trolls but apparently I did not. But I have decided from this point on to do just that. What some haters "think" about me or my work or other peoples tastes or what they decide to do with their instrument or how to spend their money is no longer going to get to me. Those who are on this forum for no other intent then to insult others will be self apparent. No need for me to point it out really.

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 7:51 pm
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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:28 pm
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Hear, hear!
I had promised myself I was not going to respond to this thread again.
There are posters on here I respect, and who have disagreed with me and my opinions on this topic. They have done so civilly, and I have no problem with that.
But ebaysux, you have resorted to insults and name-calling. That is not civil.
We should all be able to disagree amicably.
I believe any attacks you brought upon yourself.
This thread should be closed.


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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:31 pm
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nyquilcoma wrote:
Hear, hear!
I had promised myself I was not going to respond to this thread again.
There are posters on here I respect, and who have disagreed with me and my opinions on this topic. They have done so civilly, and I have no problem with that.
But ebaysux, you have resorted to insults and name-calling. That is not civil.
We should all be able to disagree amicably.
I believe any attacks you brought upon yourself.
This thread should be closed.


Apparently you have very selective reading if you think I brought the attacks on myself. But either way as far as I am concerned they should close any threads regarding relics because that always seems to bring out the worst in some of the forum members.

I will even make it easy for you.... show me where I provoked this...

Retroverbial said..... "Proof positive that not everyone possessed of frontal lobes and opposable thumbs can be considered to be sentient and sensible."

"Most artificially relic'd instruments look like rawfuckingass and your exemplar resides squarely center-of-mass within that category."

"John Cruz you ain't, pal."

Retroverbial said .... "Perhaps if you restricted the display of your 'masterpieces' to Sunnybrook Farm where it's buttermilk and biscuits every day, you wouldn't ever have to entertain a dissenting opinion. "


Retroverbial said... "I'm fine insulting your......work......because it's so damn deserving."

tvr1979 said.... "I'll tell you what...when you're finally finished with your guitar take it down to GC and tell them you want to trade it in. I'm rolling off the chair thinking about it."



Now go back...read the comments for yourself (and TRY to do this objectively)...and you show me how I was the one to provoke those personal attacks against not only myself, but anyone who likes their own property to look old. Surely there must be a way for someone to express an opinion that they do not like or prefer something without being so condescending....and then to add salt to the wound I get ganged up on for striking back and pointing out how these members are being so blatantly rude and disrespectful to other members?

So what should I do? Go onto other forums and tell them not to go to this forum because you will get ganged up on after direct personal attacks for striking back or just trying to point it out? And never show your work here because it will get slammed just because it does not suit some of the forum bullies personal taste? Should I lodge a complaint or report the abuse?

I would agree I sunk to a low point with the name calling... but how much does one need to tolerate before the breaking point?

I had clearly explained I had a lot of work into that guitar and was doing it as per the customers request based on a pic of an original, and that it was a "heavy" relic. So perhaps some of the members do not like it or judged it even though they did not see it when complete. And what do they do instead??? Tell me it looks like it was tossed in a pickup or that all it took was beating it up. They have NO CLUE what I had to do. Now do you think any of them would be man enough to post "I am sorry for insulting your work and I admit I never built one myself so I should not judge. It is not my cup of tea but if your customers like it and you are learning from it... more power to you"...now would that be so hard????? Is it really that hard to express an opinion without intentionally trying to make others feel bad about part of their passion and livelihood? The shear lack of empathy is astounding and to me it comes off as some kind of bitterness. I mean really think about it honestly. Why do you think they even went to a thread regarding relics? Surely they did not expect a love fest to pan out with that kind of attitude?

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Posted: Fri Jan 30, 2015 12:43 am
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So, I think we can conclude, in answer to the question posed 4 pages ago "Should I buy a relic?" The answer is - "If you like it then yes."

However, if you do buy a relic, don't expect everyone to like or apreciate it. Apparently some might even articulate their dislike of your instrument to the point of ridicule or insult.

I have been quite surprised by the animosity of some of the reactions. So, seemingly, you might need big spherical danglys (or a thick skin) should you go the relic route. At least you have been forewarned, so this has turned out to be a very informative thread.

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
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So, I think we can conclude, in answer to the question posed 4 pages ago "Should I buy a relic?" The answer is - "If you like it then yes.".

I'd say the right answer is "If you have to ask, don't" :wink:

On that ridicule/insult subject in general: on my part I've tried (maybe I should check my old posts if an occasional joke has slipped thru my filters...) to stay out of that department. It's impossible to know why someone plays a relic - some want to get the street credibility, some pay their hommage to their idols, some like the feel (I don't like relics, but I tested a Roadworn - the neck feel was really nice).
Mind you, it is somewhat the same with artist models; some get them to have the illusion of being like [SRV, or replace with any name you wish], some just like the instrument - a good example is the Richie Kotzen Tele; wow, what an instrument, but... who's this RK guy? :mrgreen:

A sidenote on the clothes: I got a pair of real old Levis 561's - they were the last pair I've found in the stores sold unwashed.
Another on the houses: if a painter on any my late father's building lots would have painted in the way modern painters think is "old looking" (you know, the semitransparent look with bad brush strokes...) he would have been kicked off the site in an instant.

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Explain to me what "story" a relic can tell be it natural or artificial wear?

If you really don't understand a difference between a naturally reliced vintage guitar and a modern copy, explaining is impossible.


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jmattis wrote:
It's impossible to know why someone plays a relic ...


Well, actually no it isn't. Your assumption is people have relics because they are some kind of wannabe posure.

Perhaps you should consider they want one because they like the look of it; because they find it interesting. Why do you chose a red guitar over a black, white, pink , blue or sunburst one?

I have every confidence there are those who will say, "It makes no difference what the guitar looks like." but I'm not convinced. I'm sure if those same people discovered the best playing guitar they had ever handled, but it was in a finish that made them look a complete dick, they would have it refinished rather than be ridiculed every time they were seen with it. Perhaps it had swastikas or pink teddy's or elves fornicating with otters, or something, sprayed on it previously.

A guitar is a tool to make music but (to most people) it is also more than that - that's why they come in different colours, and not just so you know which one you want for which song.

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