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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 6:59 am
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So, there are degrees of relic'ing..??

This one's relic'd too much... this one's relic'd too little and so on.

Who decides?

Is there a Congressional Committee of Relicing? A National Relic Board of America? A Worthy Grand Poobah of Relic'ing?

Did we forget somewhere along the way that these are just tools... instruments for musical expression, as opposed to being a Fashion Statement ? :shock:

How foolish do some people look who's skill level is nowhere near the degree of simulated wear on their guitar? :roll:

If I remember right, there's a word for it... starts w/ a 'P' I believe...

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:31 am
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For a person who avoids the forum because it contains posts you find offensive, you sure are keen on throwing insults yourself...


If the insults are in defense. Find a post where I EVER threw the first insult at another member directly and then get back to me.

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:39 am
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Hi ebaysux

I am quite a fan of relics, and have said earlier how a good relic tells a story.

I'm afraid I'm a little confused by the "story" your guitar is telling. There appears to be areas of significant ware, through frequent handling and contact, which I dont think wouldn't consistently get handled.

Using SRVs Strat as an example, the lacquer isn't completely obliterated around all of the jack socket. The area immediately around the bridge is protected by the bridge. I'm not saying you don't touch the body behind or below the bridge, you just wouldn't do it frequently in the way your arm might abrade the top edge.

This being the case, because the guitar confuses me, I wouldn't be happy with it personally, but I have no doubt the owner is delighted and that's all that matters.

I'd rather like to do a relic (if I didn't dislike the retro bridge) but would be inclined to copy an existing guitar to ensure the ware is accurate.


That one I built was not intended to be a replica of SRV but done in the style of his number 1. Of course not everyone is going to like how all heavy relics look which is why the customer decides. Bear in mind much of the serious wear on Stevies guitar and Rory G for example was done by them with intent. It is a personal thing and not really sure how it "confuses" you or anyone. 99.999999% of relic out there are done totally wrong and tell no stories at all. As well most are simply sanding a bit and tossing keys at it and check the paint. They can look fine that way but what "story" is it telling? That is what is confusing me actually. There could be a zillion stories or there could be none and that is up to the owner.

The pics I sent were in various phases and other wear and checking were added later. Sometimes you have to redo areas to get it right. I built that one looking at pictures of another Strat that was an original 50s. It did not tell any "stories", it was just heavily worn and to me and many others looked great that way.

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:46 am
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Lightnin MN wrote:
So, there are degrees of relic'ing..??

This one's relic'd too much... this one's relic'd too little and so on.

Who decides?

Is there a Congressional Committee of Relicing? A National Relic Board of America? A Worthy Grand Poobah of Relic'ing?

Did we forget somewhere along the way that these are just tools... instruments for musical expression, as opposed to being a Fashion Statement ? :shock:

How foolish do some people look who's skill level is nowhere near the degree of simulated wear on their guitar? :roll:

If I remember right, there's a word for it... starts w/ a 'P' I believe...

cheers!


Guitars are not "just" tools to everyone. Some people do want do make a statement. Otherwise every guitar in the world would all be the same style, same color and in perfect condition. Again I am okay with anyone having an opinion as they say different strokes but there is a difference between for example saying "I don't like green guitars" and questioning the skills and integrity of anyone else who owns a green guitar. It seems some narcissistic c**ts just can not understand that.... and is the reason I very rarely go to the website anymore.

Because it amounted more to internet bullying rather then those who all share a love for guitars keeping an open mind and respect. It is fine to have different tastes, but when you insult others tastes that is simply disrespect.

I do understand many relics are not done correctly and it gives the whole thing a bad taste to some but that said it still does not make it right to insult other members on a forum based only on your opinion and totally disregard other members tastes in how they what THEIR instrument to look. And yes there are various degrees of relics from light to heavy. It is up to the owner of the guitar which look they want.

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:08 am
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ebaysux wrote:
Bear in mind much of the serious wear on Stevies guitar and Rory G for example was done by them with intent


To quote Donal Gallagher on Rory's Strat
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The battle-scars of Rory’s Strat were not down to roughshod treatment, but due to his blood group type, extremely rare, that had a very high acidic content. So when Rory sweated on stage - and he sweated buckets -it was like paint stripper

http://www.rorygallagher.com/#/archives ... ratocaster


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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:27 am
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@ebaysux: I disagree with you on that an artificial relic would 'tell a story'. In fact, that's the main difference from a vintage instrument - the history behind it and the marks it shows, they tell a story.
But you're right that an artificial relic makes a statement - it's just that most times (as can be read from this topic) the statement is not the one intended...

And on the SRV's Number One or Rory's Strat, have you ever given a thought on how many thousands of hours of playing, how many gigs, how many miles those guitars had on them..?


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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 9:31 am
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Would you buy relic clothes? A relic car? A relic house? If yes then you should buy a relic guitar. More importantly you should learn to think for yourself and not do what others tell you.


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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:02 am
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jmattis wrote:
@ebaysux: I disagree with you on that an artificial relic would 'tell a story'. In fact, that's the main difference from a vintage instrument - the history behind it and the marks it shows, they tell a story.
But you're right that an artificial relic makes a statement - it's just that most times (as can be read from this topic) the statement is not the one intended...

And on the SRV's Number One or Rory's Strat, have you ever given a thought on how many thousands of hours of playing, how many gigs, how many miles those guitars had on them..?


Explain to me what "story" a relic can tell be it natural or artificial wear? Of course the goal for a correct relic is to have the wear and damage appear as "natural" as possible but how can the guitar tell you if it fell off a stage, the back of a van or done intentionally in a shop or by the owner who for example might have tried a refinish wrong and it naturally wore off? Or in the case of Rory where another poster read that it is claimed his sweat was like paint remover because everything you read on the internet must be true?

And yes of course I have given thought to the thousands of hours of playing gigs that Rory and Stevies guitars have. You seem to have totally lost the idea behind an artificial relic. How many people really like those artists and that is why they want a guitar like theirs. So they can either just "want" it forever, spend 20,000 on an original and play it for years and years, or get a relic. What is wrong with having a choice and want to pay tribute to an artist you like by playing a similar ax?

I just do not understand why some are so uptight about this. How in any way does it effect anyone else's life what someone else's guitar looks like? Again an opinion is fine but insulting someone else's tastes or making them defend their right to own whatever they want is kind of a dick move.

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:07 am
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Minnesotastrats wrote:
Would you buy relic clothes? A relic car? A relic house? If yes then you should buy a relic guitar. More importantly you should learn to think for yourself and not do what others tell you.


You are correct. Some people do buy relic cloths....the pre worn and pre torn jeans and shirts sold great. And yes people do relic cars...they call them "rat rods" and the goal is to make them look old and beat. People love those. As far as a relic house I can tell you having many friends who are home builders that people are paying big bucks to have counters and cabinets and trim etc made to look much older and weather beaten.

So yes no one should do what others tell them because it is everyone's right to spend their own money to have their own property look the way they want. However people do come here asking for opinions and to show off their guitars only to find they are going to be bullied and personally insulted on so many levels. How you guys can not see how wrong this is totally flabbergasts me to no end. If I were a mod here my fingers would be reliced from typing so many warnings and deleting posts lol.

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ebaysux wrote:
You are correct. Some people do buy relic cloths....the pre worn and pre torn jeans and shirts sold great. And yes people do relic cars...they call them "rat rods" and the goal is to make them look old and beat. People love those. As far as a relic house I can tell you having many friends who are home builder that people are paying big bucks to have counters and cabinets and trim etc made to look much older and weather beaten.


Proof positive that not everyone possessed of frontal lobes and opposable thumbs can be considered to be sentient and sensible.

Most artificially relic'd instruments look like rawfuckingass and your exemplar resides squarely center-of-mass within that category.

John Cruz you ain't, pal.

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 10:34 am
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ebaysux wrote:
You are correct. Some people do buy relic cloths....the pre worn and pre torn jeans and shirts sold great. And yes people do relic cars...they call them "rat rods" and the goal is to make them look old and beat. People love those. As far as a relic house I can tell you having many friends who are home builder that people are paying big bucks to have counters and cabinets and trim etc made to look much older and weather beaten.


Proof positive that not everyone possessed of frontal lobes and opposable thumbs can be considered to be sentient and sensible.

Most artificially relic'd instruments look like rawfuckingass and your exemplar resides squarely center-of-mass within that category.

John Cruz you ain't, pal.

Arjay


And this post ^^^^^^^ is a prime example of directly and personally insulting/attacking/bullying another member based on nothing but ignorance and arrogance. You mock what you do not understand and what you apparently can NOT do yourself. And sorry if I am not John Cruz and I never claimed to be. Perhaps I can watch a video to learn just how to toss the keys and use freon for checking?

That said, I feel Fender does a great job on their relics. It is you guys that seem to have a problem with it and really come off as a pathetic excuse for a human and show a total lack of respect to others who appreciate the look of their favorite artists guitars or simply love the look of an old worn guitar. Just because you have a zillion posts does NOT make you an expert on anything nor give your "opinion" and word salads any more credence.

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:03 am
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ebaysux wrote:
Or in the case of Rory where another poster read that it is claimed his sweat was like paint remover because everything you read on the internet must be true?


Thanks for the insult!
Gullible I'm not!

The source of the quote is from Rory's brother, who was also Rory's manager, and who runs the Rory Gallagher estate.
Considering that it's up on www.rorygallagher.com puts it a fair bit higher in the plausibility stakes than a lot of the rubbish you can find on the internet.

I have had the pleasure of seeing Rory play that beaten old Strat (there are many who have - he gigged one hell of a lot), but he never beat on the thing or threw it around.
He played hard, and that's what you see.
The repairs made to the guitar were usually on the road, and the overriding thing behind all the non original parts used was keep the guitar working.


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ebaysux wrote:
Or in the case of Rory where another poster read that it is claimed his sweat was like paint remover because everything you read on the internet must be true?


Thanks for the insult!
Gullible I'm not!

The source of the quote is from Rory's brother, who was also Rory's manager, and who runs the Rory Gallagher estate.
Considering that it's up on http://www.rorygallagher.com puts it a fair bit higher in the plausibility stakes than a lot of the rubbish you can find on the internet.

I have had the pleasure of seeing Rory play that beaten old Strat (there are many who have - he gigged one hell of a lot), but he never beat on the thing or threw it around.
He played hard, and that's what you see.
The repairs made to the guitar were usually on the road, and the overriding thing behind all the non original parts used was keep the guitar working.


I never said Rory beat it or threw it around. Actually it is irrelevant to someone who wants a replica or tribute as if there is any truth to it it would be impossible to change your sweat to become like paint remover. I have not only built Gallagher tributes but have studied his guitar intensely top to bottom. I do not care what his brother says or was quoted to have said but just by looking at that guitar would find it very hard to believe just sweat caused 99% of the finish to wear down to the wood. Regardless....do you think the Fender Custom shop uses a rare sweat to make the Gallaghers or uses any techniques like the original artists might have to use for the artist replicas?

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Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2015 11:36 am
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Chill out bros!
Relics or artist guitars personally are not for me but they must be selling else Fender would not be still churning them out....
Rory what a legend , I met him back stage once when I was young seeking his autograph and he gave me a beer. Fantastic guy is all I can say! :D


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Chill out bros!
Relics or artist guitars personally are not for me but they must be selling else Fender would not be still churning them out....
Rory what a legend , I met him back stage once when I was young seeking his autograph and he gave me a beer. Fantastic guy is all I can say! :D


Good attitude. I wish I had got to meet Gallagher. I did do a show once opening up for Derringer and Molly Hatchet. Rick was really rude but the guys in Molly Hatchet were really great and watched our entire show and complemented us. The ironic thing is I had met Rick a few times at a bar in Fort Lauderdale and he knew me but then playing a show with him in Tennessee he acted like he never met me before and I barely got a grunt out of him.

On a side note I was very impressed with the guitar work going on with Molly Hatchet. I recognized just about every song from the radio of my youth but until seeing them live underestimated the talent. It was very "Skynard-esk" the way they each played off each other.

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