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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 11:48 am
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Got to be a relic for me.

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Heavy Relic that is.


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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 12:50 pm
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Relic G Man wrote:
Got to be a relic for me.

Shame you got sucked into the Relic trap :cry:

I've got a nice clean one in that style that I'll trade you :lol:

Actually..I'm waiting on a low price to get a Hard Case like that.

That's a nice guitar..modeled on a '56?

This is my Glossy Relic build:


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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:20 pm
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That looks very much like the Custom Shop 60th Anniversary 1954 Heavy Relic.

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Shown here with its older sister, the 50th Anniversary model. :)


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Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 3:50 pm
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yvil wrote:
That looks very much like the Custom Shop 60th Anniversary 1954 Heavy Relic.

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Shown here with its older sister, the 50th Anniversary model. :)

Beautiful guitars..yours?

You're right..yvil..hundreds of relic pictures..Fender CS in particular..to build a..mostly..fact based ideal of what a relic build might look like..without overdoing it. :roll: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 4:36 pm
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fenderfan wrote:
Just doesn't seem right to lower the price on a guitar because of a few legitimate dings yet raise the price on one that looks like it's been dragged behind a car for a few miles. No relic for me.

I do like my Roadhouse Strat though. The maple neck is aged to a golden yellow and the knobs and pickups are aged white. No dings, scratches, or scuff marks - just looks like it has been hanging out in a smoky bar for a few decades. If I do accidently ding it up a bit, I'm pretty sure its value will go down and beating the heck out of it won't bring it back up.


Again with relics LOL. Yes, some guitars do look like they were dragged by a car. Look at SRV's number 1. That is certainly not for everyone. But the term "relic" does not always just mean paying more for a guitar with damage. Granted Fender does seem to get away with it on some custom shop models apparently there is more to it.

The thing is they really should not be called "relics" being the definition is "an object surviving from an earlier time, especially one of historical or sentimental interest." What they really should be called is "antiqued" or "replicas" or "vintage replicas" etc granted Fender calls some of them "roadworn". A guitar that was dragged by a car should just be called "damaged" but of course if someone is willing to pay more for that it does not bother me in the least. Why they would not just drag one themselves and save the money is beyond me. Maybe they are just afraid to do it? But really....does anyone think you can just drag a guitar from a car for miles and that makes it worth more? Common sense would tell you it would be busted up pieces of scrap wood, metal, and plastic if you really did that.

That said, many who are really "anti-relic" do not understand why some like heavies. To me it is just a matter of taste and no different then buying a reissue or an artist series. You are paying more to get what you want, it does not matter if it is "original"...as we all know what an "original" of anything desirable can cost or sometimes it is impossible to get unless it is made/replicated. If anyone thinks just "playing a lot" on a new guitar with a 1/4" poly finish is ever going to look like a Fender from the 50s or 60s naturally, they better be able to wait for 100 years or more.

For example if I wanted a Strat from the 60s. Most in original condition that were actually heavily used for playing out would be pretty worn and beat up and cost a fortune anyhow. If I bought a brand new USA 62 reissue it would look brand new. If I bought a custom shop relic it would look like it should. If I made my own it would look like it should and like I want and cost much less then a custom shop and profoundly less then an original.. If someone can not built one to look the way they want they could either risk messing up, pay a custom builder, or get a custom shop. To each his/her own they say.

Of course if you dent and ding and chip and scratch and sand down or burn or drag or use yellowed knobs etc on a Squier or an American Standard or Mexi standard or other off the shelf model I could not imagine anyone who would pay more for that, it just does not work that way despite what some think for whatever reasons...unless it was owned by Slash or something. When I sell any standard or other off the shelf modern models that are worn or dinged or stained etc I have to ask less for it, not more. There seems to be some kind of misconception of what a "relic" really is to a percentage of electric guitar enthusiasts.. Perhaps people are getting the wrong idea from ebay scammers or something like that? Or they are just so biased against them for whatever reason it approaches willful ignorance?

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 10:59 pm
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Something like this?
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Or this?
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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:54 am
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fenderfan wrote:
Something like this?
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Or this?
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No.

Not relics, just guitars made out of knackered wood.

A relic represents an old guitar. One that has seen life.

They are just guitars made out of scaffold boards. Ok, so you may find the finish interesting or appealing but they are no more relics than Fenders Sand Blasted Ash range.

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:01 am
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fenderfan wrote:
Something like this?
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Or this?
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...mind the splinters...just play it until it's a relic!

...or just get a well used neck... :D

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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:32 am
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Not really relics by definition but still very cool nonetheless.

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 8:56 am
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danagos wrote:
to build a..mostly..fact based ideal of what a relic build might look like..without overdoing it

I've come to understand (e.g. via ebaysux's posts on this topic) that all relics are not made to imitate a vintage guitar that has been played a lot. And just look at that glossy one danagos posted above; love it or hate it, but one would not mistake that for a vintage guitar.
So, in a way "relicing" is considered to have transformed from "faux vintage" to some kind of an "art form" of its own.

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That said, many who are really "anti-relic" do not understand why some like heavies. To me it is just a matter of taste and no different then buying a reissue or an artist series.

The RI's and artist models have the (extra or different) sound qualities built-in the design.
A relic only has them if the customer specifies it.

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If anyone thinks just "playing a lot" on a new guitar with a 1/4" poly finish is ever going to look like a Fender from the 50s or 60s naturally, they better be able to wait for 100 years or more.

The poly (& PU) ones came along (partly) because the nitro "reliced" - which was once considered to be a flaw...
But: the poly&PU ones will "relic" naturally, too - it's just a different natural relicing from nitro :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:15 am
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Have to agree with jmattis...well put on all points...

...the "faux vintage" vs "art form" is insightful...

...I don't play one to look "authentic"...they're Beautiful...mostly...

...I'll have to look for "artistic" Poly Relic examples :lol:

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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 9:20 pm
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jmattis wrote:
danagos wrote:
to build a..mostly..fact based ideal of what a relic build might look like..without overdoing it

I've come to understand (e.g. via ebaysux's posts on this topic) that all relics are not made to imitate a vintage guitar that has been played a lot. And just look at that glossy one danagos posted above; love it or hate it, but one would not mistake that for a vintage guitar.
So, in a way "relicing" is considered to have transformed from "faux vintage" to some kind of an "art form" of its own.

ebaysux wrote:
That said, many who are really "anti-relic" do not understand why some like heavies. To me it is just a matter of taste and no different then buying a reissue or an artist series.

The RI's and artist models have the (extra or different) sound qualities built-in the design.
A relic only has them if the customer specifies it.

ebaysux wrote:
If anyone thinks just "playing a lot" on a new guitar with a 1/4" poly finish is ever going to look like a Fender from the 50s or 60s naturally, they better be able to wait for 100 years or more.

The poly (& PU) ones came along (partly) because the nitro "reliced" - which was once considered to be a flaw...
But: the poly&PU ones will "relic" naturally, too - it's just a different natural relicing from nitro :wink:


Actually what I have been trying to explain...is the term "relic" is being misused. The term "relic" by definition means "an object surviving from an earlier time, especially one of historical or sentimental interest."

So what many including Fender are calling "relics" are actually either replicas designed to look like a guitar from the 50s/60s would after 40/50/60 years of actual use, or someone just beating up a guitar and putting a cigarette burn mark on the headstock.

Using different woods or finishes has nothing to do with a relic. The reason I even mention nitro finishes is because I read many telling those who would like to purchase a relic that they should just buy a new Strat and play it. We all know that a new Strat with a poly finish is never going to look like a 50s or 60s so cut the crap.

And I have explained over and over and over again that YES..... buying a relic is NO DIFFERENT then buying a reissue or artist series. You state "The RI's and artist models have the (extra or different) sound qualities built-in the design"...... So what prevents a relic from having the same thing? Do you think buying a reissue or an artist series or a relic makes anyone play any better?

It is only a f**king piece of wood. Anyone has the right to have it look however they want and should not have to argue over it or have to defend their personal tastes of how their own piece of wood looks like. If it can take strings, tune up, and play, I can appreciate it or at least have enough respect to not knock what others simply prefer based on the bias of "opinion". You make SRV face palm in his grave :mrgreen:

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ebaysux wrote:
Not really relics by definition but still very cool nonetheless.


Thanks.

No, technically not relics. Couldn't pass on the looks though. And they play/sound great. Have others but these are my favorites. The Tele is especially good for Chet Atkins type music but bump up the gain and a world of tone opens up. The gold Lollars are based on the Country Gentleman pickups.


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Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 10:13 pm
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fenderfan wrote:
ebaysux wrote:
Not really relics by definition but still very cool nonetheless.


Thanks.

No, technically not relics. Couldn't pass on the looks though. And they play/sound great. Have others but these are my favorites. The Tele is especially good for Chet Atkins type music but bump up the gain and a world of tone opens up. The gold Lollars are based on the Country Gentleman pickups.


Well I just love the looks of them. I am firmly from the school that tone starts at the fingers of the player. Anything after that is all aesthetics. What I have stated to a few on this forum is if you really want to impress me...get a shoebox and rubber bands to sound good :twisted:

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