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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 12:47 pm
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For me the thrill would be doing it over and above owning the finished item.

Absolutely John, why make your own for little or no money? If not for the satisfaction of creating a unique Strat, better than the original was.

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I saw this thread had reached 6 pages & hoped something interesting was being discussed.
Nope, SOSDD :lol:

So you don't read the subject of threads before entering? :mrgreen:

Yes, I did read as far as the first page about a week ago. It was a gentlemanly Forum topic not the Relic Bloodletting I'd expected. :o

Anyway, I hadn't subscribed and it's grown to 6 pgs. (now 7!). Apparently some rudeness has erupted. :shock:

ebys, the stuff after that quote was pretty interesting. Love hearing about technique.

Now I have to skim over pages 2-5 for pictures...hehehe

TVR, no worries bud, I just didn't want to accept an invitation to an argument!.. :lol: :lol: :lol:



Well you seem to have been a member long enough and have a high enough post count to already know what to expect when any thread has "relic" in the subject. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I see this same thing on some other forums too. For the most part it is usually 50/50 and the same exact arguments to please stop the personal insults and attacks against those who like relics for whatever reason... it seems to always escalate quickly on this forum.... even by those who I normally would have so much respect for and who actually have left me good info, help and advice in the past.

This is just such a touchy topic and I really do not understand why. We are not taking priceless rare instruments here but really nothing more then mass produced hunks of cheap common wood and the subjective finish of choice that is every owners right to prefer without being implied as a brain dead poseur faker fraud or hack etc.

You want to impress me? Let me hear you play. You want to insult me... well show me how you can do better. You want to leave an opinion? All good as long as you have the cognitive development to distinguish it from a personal attack based on nothing but a subjective biased view or argument from ignorance. And this is not directed at you personally...but just in general.

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Post subject: Re: Should i buy a relic?help
Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:18 pm
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Well you seem to have been a member long enough and have a high enough post count to already know what to expect when any thread has "relic" in the subject. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You want to impress me? Let me hear you play. You want to insult me... well show me how you can do better. You want to leave an opinion? All good as long as you have the cognitive development to distinguish it from a personal attack based on nothing but a subjective biased view or argument from ignorance. And this is not directed at you personally...but just in general.

You're welcome over to play anytime you're in North NJ, just PM me. :D

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 1:29 pm
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Well you seem to have been a member long enough and have a high enough post count to already know what to expect when any thread has "relic" in the subject. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

You want to impress me? Let me hear you play. You want to insult me... well show me how you can do better. You want to leave an opinion? All good as long as you have the cognitive development to distinguish it from a personal attack based on nothing but a subjective biased view or argument from ignorance. And this is not directed at you personally...but just in general.

You're welcome over to play anytime you're in North NJ, just PM me. :D[/quote]

Well I am originally from that neck of the woods but do not plan to be up there again for some time. I prefer the tropical weather of where I currently reside. That said, I would love to jam with all the players on this forum if it were possible....not to show off or judge who is better, but for the passion we all share in music and the work it took to get there.

I hope no one took that comment as me bragging or anything like that. It was meant simply to me that it should not matter what the finish of the guitar looks like... or even the model. Push comes to shove it is a musical instrument. Blues and rock and roll however have turned it to some as more then that....like a "culture" if you will, and part of that is image.... and for some the guitar is part of that image. However as much as I appreciate a good instrument if you can make a shoe box with rubber bands sound good I would certainly be more impressed then someone with a brand new immaculate USA deluxe supreme super special ultra mega laminated with the best CS pups and plays like a beginner.

Or put another way.... I would prefer the compliment "you can make anything sound good", over "nice guitar".

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:20 pm
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A worthy effort, competently executed.

And since it was a dumpster "rescue", the P/E ratio (once you flipped it) was likely substantial.

A win/win in my book.

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That was a rare score but they happen. The best for me so far however is this....

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It is a real 1969 Gibson SG. The neck was separated from the body (I got both in exchange for some re-wiring work) and it did have a well done repair to the body where the neck installs however not complete. I had to chisel out the "groove" where the neck inserts and learn how to "set" a neck as you know unlike Fenders these are not bolt ons... but like a one piece and setting is most critical to action.

My biggest decision next is do I restore it like new, or restore it to how it should look if it was original but unrestored where it is actually worth more but will be substantially more work. Because to really do a relic properly the pros know that you first have to restore it to like new...and then age it.

I do have many era correct parts for it including the Patent number "T-top" pups, tuners, trem bridge, pots etc which were not cheap but I got a really good deal. (Even a correct hard case). The biggest issue on it is really that there is a gouge in the body front from where someone over sanded and the correct paint is a clear cherry which would show the repair fill. If I do a relic I can make that look like it was natural damage. Oh the decisions...... I would love to keep this one but I have to consider re-sale on a score like that.


Another option might be to do a total re-fin in an opaque color such as Polar White or Pelham Blue. As we all know, you can hide a multitude of "sins" under a coat of paint.

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 2:35 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
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Another option might be to do a total re-fin in an opaque color such as Polar White or Pelham Blue. As we all know, you can hide a multitude of "sins" under a coat of paint.

:wink:


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I actually thought about something along those lines.... possibly even a solid color or total custom. Granted it would lower the value vs a really correct "resto".. as you noted it will make it so much easier to hide the sins and limit "excuses". And for all I know maybe someone will much prefer a unique one since as far as I know in that year only the "customs" were painted anything other then clear cherry and the market is virtually "flooded" with the cherries.

I already purchased the cherry nitro lacquer paint in preparation but perhaps I can use that for some kind of mahogany bodied custom strat or tele build.

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:32 pm
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Another option might be to do a total re-fin in an opaque color such as Polar White or Pelham Blue. As we all know, you can hide a multitude of "sins" under a coat of paint. :wink: Arjay

I actually thought about something along those lines.... possibly even a solid color or total custom. Granted it would lower the value vs a really correct "resto".. as you noted it will make it so much easier to hide the sins and limit "excuses". And for all I know maybe someone will much prefer a unique one since as far as I know in that year only the "customs" were painted anything other then clear cherry and the market is virtually "flooded" with the cherries.

I already purchased the cherry nitro lacquer paint in preparation but perhaps I can use that for some kind of mahogany bodied custom strat or tele build.

I'd like to hear more about it, too bad we don't have a Restoration section.

What were the Hot Gibson CS colors in '69?

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 3:44 pm
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I wish I had a '69 catalog but my vintage Gibson literature only goes to model year 1967.

You might ask on the Everything SG forum -- I'm not a member but I've heard there's some knowledgeable folks there.

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:05 pm
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danagos wrote:
ebaysux wrote:
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Another option might be to do a total re-fin in an opaque color such as Polar White or Pelham Blue. As we all know, you can hide a multitude of "sins" under a coat of paint. :wink: Arjay

I actually thought about something along those lines.... possibly even a solid color or total custom. Granted it would lower the value vs a really correct "resto".. as you noted it will make it so much easier to hide the sins and limit "excuses". And for all I know maybe someone will much prefer a unique one since as far as I know in that year only the "customs" were painted anything other then clear cherry and the market is virtually "flooded" with the cherries.

I already purchased the cherry nitro lacquer paint in preparation but perhaps I can use that for some kind of mahogany bodied custom strat or tele build.

I'd like to hear more about it, too bad we don't have a Restoration section.

What were the Hot Gibson CS colors in '69?


I am not so sure they had a "custom shop" in the sense as like what they do now. I tried to research this as much as possible because I was really hoping a solid color was available on any of the SG Standards in 69. Thus far all research indicated that only the "Customs" had options. The "Custom" was actually a model of the SG that had 3 pickups and different tuners and inlays....other then that it was made off the Standard which if you look at the pic has a route for 3 pups indicating they used the same identical tooling and bodies for the standards and the customs.

The Customs of that year seem to all be either white, cherry or blue (which is not common and may not be original), but also a translucent brown. I have found it impossible to locate any kind of color chart in which to determine if any other colors were available on the custom or if the standard was available anything other then cherry or translucent brown. Even a google image search shows nothing other then what I posted above.

So essentially if I go with anything other then clear cherry or clear brown it is by default assumed a refin rather then a factory custom color used on a standard. This is not to say we can officially conclude it was impossible to custom order a standard in a custom color for 1969, it just seems that if this was possible no one knows for sure and none exist anymore.... or if any do and they can be officially verified factory original would be worth a small fortune and more rare then a republican at an Obama convention.

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I kind of like the TV Yellow on this '71 (on Reverb)


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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 5:58 pm
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danagos wrote:
I kind of like the TV Yellow on this '71 (on Reverb)


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I like that too and even have a bunch of that color paint. As far as I know you could not get that in 1969 from the factory (unless you were maybe John Lennon lol) but still it seems all the famous players at the time had the custom model...and then they hand painted over them with hippy art.

I need to make a decision before I do the filling.... so far I am leaning to a custom refin being I won't have to "heavy relic" it...however I will have to age it somewhat to match the rest of the parts.

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 6:13 pm
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I think you guys helped me. After looking at that pic of the 71 I think I might just go TV yellow with it. I would love to find out if there was any way to get that color on a standard from the factory in 69 since that would give it a little more authenticity, however either way there is no denying that color has a buttload of curb appeal.

The only real noticeable difference between that one and mine is mine has that ginormous Maestro tremolo system, a full PG, and different shaped fret inlays.

This is what mine would have looked like originally but with some aging...

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This is what the custom version in 69 looked like..

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I am also noticing it seems all of the customs had gold hardware.

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Posted: Sat Jan 31, 2015 7:00 pm
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If I go purple will that mean I can play as good as Madonna?

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I'm new to posting here, but I lurk quite a bit. I'm a big guitar $@!&# who picks up as many good guitars as I can for the least amount of money. I love all sort of guitars and am not prejudice against any maker or model.

I have nothing against "relic" guitars. I actually tried to buy a 08 Fender MIM 50's road worn from a pawnshop about a year ago, but they wouldn't budge of their $600 selling price. I'd NEVER EVER pay that much for a guitar like that in a pawnshop.

I wanted the guitar so bad because it was VERY light, and the neck felt so smooth and broken in.

Anyway, I love finding amazing scores in pawnshops because I can get a guitar with a little mojo and save hundreds of dollars.

I got this '75 Mocha last week in a trade on CL. I cost me $500 and I think is oozes mojo and just looks great. Not the prettiest color ever made,but it just has a lot of character. I wanted a "relic", and I got it.

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I'm new to posting here, but I lurk quite a bit. I'm a big guitar $@!&# who picks up as many good guitars as I can for the least amount of money. I love all sort of guitars and am not prejudice against any maker or model.

I have nothing against "relic" guitars. I actually tried to buy a 08 Fender MIM 50's road worn from a pawnshop about a year ago, but they wouldn't budge of their $600 selling price. I'd NEVER EVER pay that much for a guitar like that in a pawnshop.

I wanted the guitar so bad because it was VERY light, and the neck felt so smooth and broken in.

Anyway, I love finding amazing scores in pawnshops because I can get a guitar with a little mojo and save hundreds of dollars.

I got this '75 Mocha last week in a trade on CL. I cost me $500 and I think is oozes mojo and just looks great. Not the prettiest color ever made,but it just has a lot of character. I wanted a "relic", and I got it.



That is a KILLER deal for 500 and certainly has character and very natural looking wear. The color may be a subjective topic and not anything I would choose if I had a choice......however it is so unique I could learn to love it.

I recently sold a really super worn 74 body (granted it was unmodified) and got $750 for it. So even though yours has the wrong tuners and possibly unoriginal electronics... the body and neck alone are worth well more then 500...probably closer to 1000 on the low end. Heck there are sellers on ebay asking 150 just for the neck plate....Congrats!

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That is a KILLER deal for 500 and certainly has character and very natural looking wear. The color may be a subjective topic and not anything I would choose if I had a choice......however it is so unique I could learn to love it.


Thanks. The trade was for a killer deal I found on a 2011 60th Anniversary Blonde Tele I picked up at pawnshop 2 weeks ago for $500. I'd never thought someone would trade a '75 Strat for a '11 Blonde Tele. Granted the Tele kills the strat in looks,but I just loved the natural relicing and mojo the Mocha had.

Here they are side by side.

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