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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 4:51 am
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Hola!!

Thanks for resurrecting this thread.

As a post-script for this one as well, my tech and I found information in Vintage Guitar which suggests that this instrument was one of a clutch of 12 which the nascent Custom Shop built for the '88 NAMM at which the model was introduced. Clapton had been touring with the Pewter and Red prototypes they gave him in the summer of '86 on approval. The red guitar can be seen on the cover of the DVD box released from that tour.......''Live in 1986''. Those guitars had the mini-toggle swapped out for a stereo output jack. When the jack plug was inserted, it powered up the boost circuit. Eric preferred it that way, and that's the way the final production guitar went in May of '88. I suppose the original idea was to give the player the option of playing a passive instrument without having to have a second guitar, but the goal was to market the guitar Eric was using on stage. Down the road, when Eric decided he'd like to have another black Stratocaster, Fender began marketing a new 'Blackie' as well. I owned one for a while. It was my first Clapton.

The midboost in my guitar appears to be 25db. The problem with the circuit was traced to a defective mini-toggle switch which was replaced.

All is well. I'm going to file the email to which this is attached for easier reference going foward. Have a great holiday season, mates.

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 5:55 am
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.... Those guitars had the mini-toggle swapped out for a stereo output jack. When the jack plug was inserted, it powered up the boost circuit. Eric preferred it that way, ...


While I can't see me getting an EC now (I like the guitars I have and want to play the living c~~p out of them) I have pondered putting in an EC mid boost circuit. I have, in part, avoided this as I leave my "in use" guitars plugged in all the time so the battery would die in no time. An on/off switch would however solve this - knowing this was the original configuration makes it even more appealing.

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
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You’re welcome ZZ, I enjoyed reading up on your special guitar. We need to start an Eric Clapton Signature Stratocaster Club where we can all come together and share pics and show our appreciation.

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 9:26 am
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John Sims wrote:
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.... Those guitars had the mini-toggle swapped out for a stereo output jack. When the jack plug was inserted, it powered up the boost circuit. Eric preferred it that way, ...


While I can't see me getting an EC now (I like the guitars I have and want to play the living c~~p out of them) I have pondered putting in an EC mid boost circuit. I have, in part, avoided this as I leave my "in use" guitars plugged in all the time so the battery would die in no time. An on/off switch would however solve this - knowing this was the original configuration makes it even more appealing.


Perhaps this is the answer to your prayers. It's been around awhile. It won't drain the battery,

http://caraguitars.com/index.php/2017/0 ... ost-pedal/

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:33 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
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.... Those guitars had the mini-toggle swapped out for a stereo output jack. When the jack plug was inserted, it powered up the boost circuit. Eric preferred it that way, ...


While I can't see me getting an EC now (I like the guitars I have and want to play the living c~~p out of them) I have pondered putting in an EC mid boost circuit. I have, in part, avoided this as I leave my "in use" guitars plugged in all the time so the battery would die in no time. An on/off switch would however solve this - knowing this was the original configuration makes it even more appealing.


Perhaps this is the answer to your prayers. It's been around awhile. It won't drain the battery,

http://caraguitars.com/index.php/2017/0 ... ost-pedal/


Indeed that is a solid thing.

Considering how "cost effective" the EC boost board is that seems like a lot of dosh, particularly once delivered to the UK with added import tax.

Perhaps I should get a board and make my own. :-)

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 12:54 pm
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Yeah!! The thread is alive again! I think a lot of people have moved over to Face Book. But I have several EC Strats and really, training yourself to simply unplug the guitar is the easiest way to deal with the battery issue. And if it is a matter of simply taking a break for an hour, leaving the guitar plugged in does not drain the battery hardly at all. For over night or for days simply reach down and pull the plug. drilling holes and putting a switch in not only damages the originality of the guitar and value, but also takes time. I think this is why fender moved over to the activated jack plug..

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Yeah!! The thread is alive again! I think a lot of people have moved over to Face Book. But I have several EC Strats and really, training yourself to simply unplug the guitar is the easiest way to deal with the battery issue. And if it is a matter of simply taking a break for an hour, leaving the guitar plugged in does not drain the battery hardly at all. For over night or for days simply reach down and pull the plug. drilling holes and putting a switch in not only damages the originality of the guitar and value, but also takes time. I think this is why fender moved over to the activated jack plug..

I recommended the 'Cara' boost pedal but the cost for him is prohibitive. The other question is how do you aftermarket install that Clapton midboost circuit? I put the battery for my Gilmore DG20 between the springs in the trem cavity, but for the Clapton circuitry, the guitar body is the same as old Elite and is routed in the lower bout to carry the board. Where would it go?EMG'S preamp is a different design. More compact and streamlined and fits the existing scratchplate and control routing without issues.

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:00 pm
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Yeah!! The thread is alive again! I think a lot of people have moved over to Face Book. But I have several EC Strats and really, training yourself to simply unplug the guitar is the easiest way to deal with the battery issue. And if it is a matter of simply taking a break for an hour, leaving the guitar plugged in does not drain the battery hardly at all. For over night or for days simply reach down and pull the plug. drilling holes and putting a switch in not only damages the originality of the guitar and value, but also takes time. I think this is why fender moved over to the activated jack plug..

I recommended the 'Cara' boost pedal but the cost for him is prohibitive. The other question is how do you aftermarket install that Clapton midboost circuit? I put the battery for my Gilmore DG20 between the springs in the trem cavity, but for the Clapton circuitry, the guitar body is the same as old Elite and is routed in the lower bout to carry the board. Where would it go?EMG'S preamp is a different design. More compact and streamlined and fits the existing scratchplate and control routing without issues.


Good choice! I thought we were talking EC Strats. I did not realize someone just wanted a boost!

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Posted: Fri Nov 23, 2018 3:29 pm
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Xhefri wrote:
Yeah!! The thread is alive again! I think a lot of people have moved over to Face Book. But I have several EC Strats and really, training yourself to simply unplug the guitar is the easiest way to deal with the battery issue. And if it is a matter of simply taking a break for an hour, leaving the guitar plugged in does not drain the battery hardly at all. For over night or for days simply reach down and pull the plug. drilling holes and putting a switch in not only damages the originality of the guitar and value, but also takes time. I think this is why fender moved over to the activated jack plug..

I recommended the 'Cara' boost pedal but the cost for him is prohibitive. The other question is how do you aftermarket install that Clapton midboost circuit? I put the battery for my Gilmore DG20 between the springs in the trem cavity, but for the Clapton circuitry, the guitar body is the same as old Elite and is routed in the lower bout to carry the board. Where would it go?EMG'S preamp is a different design. More compact and streamlined and fits the existing scratchplate and control routing without issues.


Good choice! I thought we were talking EC Strats. I did not realize someone just wanted a boost!


The active prewireds are likely beyond his costs as well and absent that 25db kick. A guess DIY is in his future.

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Eric opted for the cable-operated on/off preamp switching because he wanted a feature from the old Elite allowing him to play active all the time, that's why he asked the R&D team to delete the mode switch from his personal guitar. This function was subsequently implemented on the 35th Anniversary Stratocaster - the precursor to the Strat Ultra - before being offered in the form of a push-push button on the Richie Sambora signature series two years later.


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You could always use an S1 switch to make/break the battery connection as long as your circuit doesn't require a dual-ganged volume pot.

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You could always use an S1 switch to make/break the battery connection as long as your circuit doesn't require a dual-ganged volume pot.


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You could always use an S1 switch to make/break the battery connection as long as your circuit doesn't require a dual-ganged volume pot.


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We're a couple of points off John's goal here. He requires a low-cost 'hotrod' of a guitar which currently has passive electronics by using the Clapton kit supplied by Fender. He doesn't say that the guitar in question is a Strat. The idea would be not to alter the guitar as well.

Let's say it is. My '97 American Standard's body had a swimming pool routing for the pickguard. When I swapped out the factory pickguard for the DG20, I pulled out the centre trem spring and 'frenched' the battery into that space. There was a communication between the trem cavity and the control cavity to run the battery wire through. Not on the newer guitars. The EMG does not have a 'mother board', either. Even if one could fit the board into the control cavity, what about the battery. As noted before, the Clapton body is the original active circuit Elite's which is routed in the lower bout for the board. Is there enough room for it in the trem cavity, as well? If not, then what? As to the battery, one might do what I did but it would require altering the guitar by drilling a hole into the trem cavity. You'd have to disconnect and reconnect the battery wires to accomplish that.

I'm sure others have done this. There may be information on other forums addressing the issue.

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You could always use an S1 switch to make/break the battery connection as long as your circuit doesn't require a dual-ganged volume pot.


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We're a couple of points off John's goal here. He requires a low-cost 'hotrod' of a guitar which currently has passive electronics by using the Clapton kit supplied by Fender. He doesn't say that the guitar in question is a Strat. The idea would be not to alter the guitar as well.

Let's say it is. My '97 American Standard's body had a swimming pool routing for the pickguard. When I swapped out the factory pickguard for the DG20, I pulled out the centre trem spring and 'frenched' the battery into that space. There was a communication between the trem cavity and the control cavity to run the battery wire through. Not on the newer guitars. The EMG does not have a 'mother board', either. Even if one could fit the board into the control cavity, what about the battery. As noted before, the Clapton body is the original active circuit Elite's which is routed in the lower bout for the board. Is there enough room for it in the trem cavity, as well? If not, then what? As to the battery, one might do what I did but it would require altering the guitar by drilling a hole into the trem cavity. You'd have to disconnect and reconnect the battery wires to accomplish that.

While you're at it, here's what the kit is comprised of. All the discussions about 'pots, pushes, and pulls' are moot:

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp ... AzyY792gNA

I'm sure others have done this. There may be information on other forums addressing the issue.

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Posted: Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:42 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
ZZDoc wrote:
chromeface wrote:
CB91710 wrote:
You could always use an S1 switch to make/break the battery connection as long as your circuit doesn't require a dual-ganged volume pot.


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We're a couple of points off John's goal here. He requires a low-cost 'hotrod' of a guitar which currently has passive electronics by using the Clapton kit supplied by Fender. He doesn't say that the guitar in question is a Strat. The idea would be not to alter the guitar as well.

Let's say it is. My '97 American Standard's body had a swimming pool routing for the pickguard. When I swapped out the factory pickguard for the DG20, I pulled out the centre trem spring and 'frenched' the battery into that space. There was a communication between the trem cavity and the control cavity to run the battery wire through. Not on the newer guitars. The EMG does not have a 'mother board', either. Even if one could fit the board into the control cavity, what about the battery. As noted before, the Clapton body is the original active circuit Elite's which is routed in the lower bout for the board. Is there enough room for it in the trem cavity, as well? If not, then what? As to the battery, one might do what I did but it would require altering the guitar by drilling a hole into the trem cavity. You'd have to disconnect and reconnect the battery wires to accomplish that.

While you're at it, here's what the kit is comprised of. All the discussions about 'pots, pushes, and pulls' are moot:

https://www.google.com/search?source=hp ... AzyY792gNA

One more thing. The current pickups ought to be those which are historically compatible with this circuit...e.g.. gold Lace Sensors or the current Fender Noiseless.

I'm sure others have done this. There may be information on other forums addressing the issue.

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