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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 12:41 am
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The name is still in use, at least in the French speaking countries:
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Custom Shop Stratocaster Eric Clapton série limitée, coloris Pewter (gris anthracite métallisé)


BTW, although pure anthracite may be black, in the color world "anthracite" has always been one sort of dark grey, as in e.g.
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RAL 7016 (RGB=041-049-051) (Hex approx. #293133) = Anthrazitgrau/Anthracite grey/Gris anthracite/Gris antracita/Grigio antracite/Antracietgrijs


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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:09 am
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jmattis wrote:
The name is still in use, at least in the French speaking countries:
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Custom Shop Stratocaster Eric Clapton série limitée, coloris Pewter (gris anthracite métallisé)


BTW, although pure anthracite may be black, in the color world "anthracite" has always been one sort of dark grey, as in e.g.
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RAL 7016 (RGB=041-049-051) (Hex approx. #293133) = Anthrazitgrau/Anthracite grey/Gris anthracite/Gris antracita/Grigio antracite/Antracietgrijs


The guitar you're talking about is an EC Grey LTD 2010, not Pewter. Hue is tad darker. Clapton played Pewter Strats in the mid-to-late 1980s and early 1990s.

Below you'll be able to spot the differences between the two colours, bearing mind that stage lighting still remains an important factor.

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:27 am
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I don't quite get your point here...

The OP's guitar is diagnosed Pewter since page one of the topic, including by Mr. Schwartz.
The ad quote in my post is of a Pewter EC Signature Stratocaster.
The RAL code is just an example of color "anthracite" being commonly known as a (the 50th?) shade of grey instead of a shade of black...


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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:41 am
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jmattis wrote:
I don't quite get your point here...

The OP's guitar is diagnosed Pewter since page one of the topic, including by Mr. Schwartz.
The ad quote in my post is of a Pewter EC Signature Stratocaster.
The RAL code is just an example of color "anthracite" being commonly known as a (the 50th?) shade of grey instead of a shade of black...


The 2010 LTD Stratocaster, initially released in the UK, was described as finished in 'EC Gray ' shade matched to the Ferrari paint color grigio silverstone. We kicked that around a great deal back then. If Fender France used a different discriptor for that finish, I trust that's new to many of us. That paint has been retired. They've got something closer to the EC Gray presently, but no cigar. The Pewter is still available.

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 8:21 am
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The guitar you're talking about is an EC Grey LTD 2010, not Pewter. Hue is tad darker. Clapton played Pewter Strats in the mid-to-late 1980s and early 1990s.

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I do not understand this. You are saying that the darker EC LTD 2010 was used by EC more recently (after 2010 I guess) while the picture of him playing a darker colored (anthracite) guitar while he is clearly much younger than the other picture. That picture looks like the early 1990s. While you are say he used Pewter mid-to-late 1980s and early 1990s while the picture shows a much older EC, most likely in the later 2000s or even just a couple years ago? The colors and pictures look backwards from what you are saying. But in A.R. Duchossoir's book The Fender Stratocaster, published in 1994 with a forward by EC Clapton stated that, "The original finishes available on the guitar chosen by E.C., i.e. Pewter (anthracite), Torino Red, (a.k.a. Ferrari red) and Candy Green (a.k.a. 7-Up Green)." Something must be up about the word anthracite, if it appears in this book. Maybe a nickname by EC or a suggestion made by him that didn't take?

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:35 am
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Bottom pic is old Clapton. Guitar is prototype. Pic of same on cover of Duchossoir's book looks darker than what we own. Maybe paint formula was changed when production began.

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:45 am
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Bottom pic is old Clapton. Guitar is prototype. Pic of same on cover of Duchossoir's book looks darker than what we own. Maybe paint formula was changed when production began.

You mean the pict with the darker Strat. Did you notice it has Lace Sensors while the one on the front of Duchossoir's book has regular pole type pickups? EC looks a lot younger in that pict than the first pict! Interesting how this "anthracite" word somehow got in the mix! :?

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 9:55 am
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Not my book. FLS' and cigarette burns.

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 11:07 am
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Not my book. FLS' and cigarette burns.

Ah Mine looks like this:
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and I take it yours looks like this????
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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 1:19 pm
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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 5:30 pm
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Well Rob, I did my due diligence looking through all my Fender memorabilia, and could not find the one page color pull out. I thought I kept one, but can't seem to locate it. I do remember it explicitly since as the mail came in from Fender it was my job to go through it, explain to the other clerks what changes (specs, prices, etc) so we could change our in store hang tags if necessary. Then I had to file in these big binders where we kept all the model information. Since it was a new model back then, I was surprised it said "Anthracite (Pewter)" because, I didn't know what color Pewter was (we had a Green one in stock, but no red or pewter) as everything Pewter I had dealt with was a silver color and came on the top of a beer stein from my Germany days!

I did find a Jul 1990 Pink Dealer Price list and it says Pewter, but the code was 843 vs. the 043? It also showed all the colors that way with an 8 preceding the two other digits vice the "0". Not sure if this means anything.

I did recheck the paperwork that came with my guitar and the hang tag said "Anthracite" but it was hand written. Also the "Sales" receipt said the same thing but was also hand written, so I certainly wasn't the only one (I won this guitar in a give away, so it was not from the store I worked in).

That is all the "New" info I have found besides what has been written by others in this post. This model sure has some interesting things that have come with it.

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Hi T2Stratman, I know you were addressing Rob but just wanted to share about the color codes. or you can read about them here: http://xhefriguitars.com/page2.html#C13 but the last two digits are really the color code, so in this case #43 is Pewter. The first digit is the case type: 8 = deluxe case; or 5 = shipped with no case; 7 = standard molded case. Fender often listed the color codes with 3 digits, which was crazy as that first digit had nothing to do with the color. If you go to that link I explain the whole part number breakdown, which BTW, Rob shared with me. LOL!

But to the Anthracite Pewter subject. There must be something to it because in A.R. Duchossoir's book The Fender Stratocaster, he mentions on page 32 about the Clapton Strat the word "Anthracite." Here is what he said as found in the book:

"The orginal finishes available on the guitar chosen by E.C., i.e. Pewter (anthracite), Torino Red, (a.k.a. Ferrari red) and Candy Green (a.k.a. 7-Up Green)."

So the word Anthracite is in the book for some reason....


X...No problem! I hadn't been to your site in a while and tend to forget just how comprehensive it is. Thanks for the info about the cases, I had completely forgot about that! After you mentioned it, I remembered that our in store coded hangtags had that info on it, and was sometimes used to negotiate a lower price, i.e., with a lesser style case or even a gig bag!

As to the color issue, seeing some of these other posts (and Duchessoirs book) makes me wonder if this Anthracite thing started as an English or European thing, in that they describe Pewter this way? Hence the references and it stuck as a quote and got into the lexicon that way? The reference from Duchessoirs book was how I remember seeing it on the one page Fender reference sheet...with the 7 Up Green reference/a.k.a Ferrari Red too! I wonder if this just lost the quotation marks as it was used?

Good discussion and a real mystery...maybe we should put Scooby and the gang on it! :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 6:14 pm
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As to the color issue, seeing some of these other posts (and Duchessoirs book) makes me wonder if this Anthracite thing started as an English or European thing, in that they describe Pewter this way? Hence the references and it stuck as a quote and got into the lexicon that way? The reference from Duchessoirs book was how I remember seeing it on the one page Fender reference sheet...with the 7 Up Green reference/a.k.a Ferrari Red too! I wonder if this just lost the quotation marks as it was used?
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I think your on to something. If Fender was going to add a "trunk" to a Strat, the British would call it a "boot." :lol: :lol: :lol: Just like Eric got his "fringe" cut the other day..... So yes, "anthracite" could be Britain's way of saying "grey"! 8)

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
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A fret count suggests that the image is not of a Clapton Signature Strat. Is there a headstock image on the back page? There may also be a photograph, in THAT edition, of the prototype with the mode switch. Check it out?

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 7:55 pm
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Yeppers this one has that picture on page 43. The caption by the picture says: "Early production sample of the Eric Clapton model. Note 21-fret fingerboard and the active/passive electronics mini-switch." What I find interesting is the word "production." I have seen a couple of these for sale of the years but EXTREMELY RARE! So i do think a limited amount made production and you prove that Custom Shop did released a few as YOU OWN ONE! LOL.... See pict below:

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And here is an add for the Clapton Strats when they first came out. I have in my filed notes that this add was from late - 1988. Note again: the mini-switch and 21 fret fingerboard BUT this time in Candy Green (aka, 7-Up Green). Funny thing is, the caption on this add tells all about this new EC Strat. Then it ends with saying: "But not Eric. He wouldn't change a thing." :lol: :lol: LOL but he did! he change the boost from 21dB to 25bB and added a fret!!! Also note that these were Custom Shop releases according to the advertisement. You have a lucky find there ZZ.

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Post subject: Re: Need your help guys!1989 Fender EC Strat Signature Serie
Posted: Wed Jan 14, 2015 3:07 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
Bottom pic is old Clapton. Guitar is prototype. Pic of same on cover of Duchossoir's book looks darker than what we own.


with the neck changed to a 22-fretter crafted by MS. Woodgrain is heavily figured flamed maple. That prototype turned black during the 2nd half of 1990 (some believe the neck was removed and put into a black alder body, others think that J. W. Black refinished the existing pewter body).


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