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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 1:23 pm
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Check to be sure the neck is not too straight. Too straight will result in fret buzz. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:42 pm
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the following is pasted from my reply on your other post "a few issues".

Maybe it's just me, but from the last photo you posted, the back of the bridge seemed awfully high from the body. That may account for your running out of room for the intonation adjustment.

Add: I read your other post about the "problem with the nut". It sounds like you tried nearly everything except adjusting the neck tilt "micro-tilt adjustment". Tilting the neck back a hair may eliminate the buzz at the 1st fret, but may then require saddle height and intonation readjustment after, as it will lower the strings at the heel as well.


Hey there!

Thank you all again for all your replies and help.
Well... I changed all the strings and (thought) I had ironed out all the problems.
Intonation was quite good, buzz in low E (or any other open string) was gone... I thought it was finally time to start enjoying it!

This is... until I started fretting the D string! It is buzzing like crazy on frets 1-8th (or something like that). I am tired... :)

Irony is, I have my 130 euros Yamaha Pacifica playing great... my Fender AMERICAN strat, that cost me 10x more... driving me insane! :)

I guess I will wait till tuesday and go to the store and see if they can help me out!

But... I am not really impressed, I have to say!


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Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:06 pm
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It seems like you are chasing a bad setup, one wrong move after another. Maybe a good setup by a pro will take care of it. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 9:35 pm
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It seems like you are chasing a bad setup, one wrong move after another. Maybe a good setup by a pro will take care of it. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:55 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
It seems like you are chasing a bad setup, one wrong move after another. Maybe a good setup by a pro will take care of it. :idea:


I really hope this is the case... But I have a bit of doubts! I honestly think that the nut is screwed up. And, to be very honest, having a nut badly cut from factory is just not acceptable in a guitar that is supposed to be of a great quality.

I'll go to the shop tomorrow and see if they can help me.


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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:02 am
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Hi ,

me too i had the same problem with my fender Americain standard 2013 , it buzzs always at the 7 , 12 , 14 frets , i did take it many times to the store to fix it but after some weeks i get always the same problem back , so i did give up , and now 1300 euros stand on the corner of my Home studio room . fortunatly i have other Fender guitars . i m too really desappointed From this Last Fender Quality .


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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:20 am
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tommy36 wrote:
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me too i had the same problem with my fender Americain standard 2013 , it buzzs always at the 7 , 12 , 14 frets , i did take it many times to the store to fix it but after some weeks i get always the same problem back , so i did give up , and now 1300 euros stand on the corner of my Home studio room . fortunatly i have other Fender guitars . i m too really desappointed From this Last Fender Quality .


Damn... I honestly hope I won't end up there! I don't have much buzz towards the bottom of the fretboard. I have some on the D and G, the D mostly on the beggining of the neck and the G, more towards the 7th-10th. In addition, my D string makes a strange ressonance on the saddle (tried moving the saddle to solve, but as soon as I use the whammy, the ressonance comes back). On top of that, I most surely have a crappy nut! In any case, I hope a proper setup will solve most of the issues. I really just want to enjoy my guitar... and all these issues are quickly wearing me down!!! :(

Tommy, can I ask you to please show me exactly what do you mean with the buzz on the 7, 12 and 14 frets? What strings? Strumming hard? Accoustic or coming through amp? Can you maybe make a quick video?

I am willing to accept a certain degree of acoustic rattle. I think most of the strat like guitars will have some of it, specially if you you pick hard (or strum a bit more vigorously). Just as long as it doesn't come out through the amp, this should be Ok...


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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 5:55 am
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Hi ,

the buzz come when i m playing clean on the 7 , 12 , 14 frets , and especially on the G string , i play really normal and softly without any hard pressing . i m sure the problem is coming from the Guitar and not the Amp because i use others guitars with the same Amp without any issues . my Advise For you , if you just bought this Guitar and it makes you not feel satisfied , go simply back to the Store and change it and i think it s your right .


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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:09 am
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tommy36 wrote:
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the buzz come when i m playing clean on the 7 , 12 , 14 frets , and especially on the G string , i play really normal and softly without any hard pressing . i m sure the problem is coming from the Guitar and not the Amp because i use others guitars with the same Amp without any issues . my Advise For you , if you just bought this Guitar and it makes you not feel satisfied , go simply back to the Store and change it and i think it s your right .


Sounds like you don't have enough neck relief (ie the truss rod needs to be slackened off a touch).
You might also find that your G string doesn't follow the radius of the frets, and may need a touch of adjustment (by the sound of it needs raising a little).

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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:38 am
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You're problem is most likely truss rod adjustment or neck tilt.

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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 7:36 am
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We have now these two similar cases here, milcs's and tommy36's guitars (mind you, not the same, but similar).
So to both of you: you spend 1300$ on a new guitar, but you don't want to spend about 100$ to have it set up by a pro :roll:

Guitars come from the factory in basic setup, but there's no guarantee the setup survives the transport & shelf life - plus, guitars are individuals, plus the climate changes affect the setup, and so on.
Some shops setup guitars when bought (best ones ask the customer how...) but in this online warehouse cheapest offer era their number is diminishing.
Based on the questions you ask, I get the feeling you aren't experienced in Strat setups. Once done properly by a pro, it's easier to learn : just tweak something (keeping notes on what you do), and see what happens.

Oh, a remark: I haven't met an AmStd yet that wouldn't play right when it's setup properly - a couple pickup/wiring defects excluded.

I apologise if you feel I come on too hard, but doing things by guessing is just too much hassle.

And Tommy, I don't know what that store (that tried many times to fix it) did, but it's obvious they don't know their job. Your problem sounds like too much truss rod tension - but just guessing :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 8:50 am
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jmattis wrote:
We have now these two similar cases here, milcs's and tommy36's guitars (mind you, not the same, but similar).
So to both of you: you spend 1300$ on a new guitar, but you don't want to spend about 100$ to have it set up by a pro :roll:

I dont refuse at all to pay to get a setup... I will take the guitar to the shop tomorrow and will have it setup (although I wonder how much do they really know how to set it up properly.). If that doesn't do it, I will take it to a luthier...

In any case, there are a few points I would like to make:
1- This guitars can't ship with defective nuts (or not properly cut nuts). It is just not possible...
2- Once you know the basics of setting up the strat, it really is not rocket science. I set up my previous guitar and my strat and, honestly, besides working the nut and the micro-tilt, I don't see what else they are going to do.
3- I am confident that the guitar will eventually be great and feel great. It is just that I find it very weird having to spend more than one week trying to solve problems. I find it weird that they ship these guitars with bellow par nuts, with jacks that are not properly tight, for example!

Anyway... I am positive it will be great in the end (honestly, most of the times, when I stop focusing on the issues, it is already a great instrument)!


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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 1:43 pm
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The fact of the matter is that it's unclear at this point that there is anything wrong with the nut. My experience... with ANY new guitar (including a Custom Shop instrument)... they do need attention once they arrive. Climate... transport... storage etc... all have an effect regardless of whether the guitar was setup before being shipped.

Bringing it in for a Pro Setup is the smartest thing you could do. From issues you've been experiencing after performing setup work yourself on this guitar... I feel it's safe to say you have run into a few things that you're not familiar with. It's all good... this is how we learn... sometimes it's trial and error... hopefully... the errors made don't cause serious problems or.... permanent damage like a cracked neck due to overtightening a truss rod etc... which is NOT covered by warranty :shock:

Let us know how things turn out when you get the guitar after the shop performs the setup. I have a feeling you're going to be very happy you brought it in :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Nut problem on a new Fender USA stratocaster standard?
Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:19 pm
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The fact of the matter is that it's unclear at this point that there is anything wrong with the nut. My experience... with ANY new guitar (including a Custom Shop instrument)... they do need attention once they arrive. Climate... transport... storage etc... all have an effect regardless of whether the guitar was setup before being shipped.

Bringing it in for a Pro Setup is the smartest thing you could do. From issues you've been experiencing after performing setup work yourself on this guitar... I feel it's safe to say you have run into a few things that you're not familiar with. It's all good... this is how we learn... sometimes it's trial and error... hopefully... the errors made don't cause serious problems or.... permanent damage like a cracked neck due to overtightening a truss rod etc... which is NOT covered by warranty :shock:

Let us know how things turn out when you get the guitar after the shop performs the setup. I have a feeling you're going to be very happy you brought it in :wink:


Howdy!!!
I am 100% sure the nut is the culprit. This morning, before I left for work (I was going insane and couldn't wait any longer!!! :) ), I just changed the strings to .10-.46, tightened the truss rod, lowered the tremolo, adjusted saddle height... and everything is fine!

As I said, the vibration/buzz I have at the nut, happens when I have a thinner string (.42) and is "fixed" by using .46 or adding a piece of aluminium foil. So, I am quite sure that it is the nut!

The thing is... now it is playing good. So... what should I do? I know it has a problem (specially if I want to go back to lighter strings)... but it is hidden now! :| What would you guys do?


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Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 2:29 pm
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milcs wrote:
The thing is... now it is playing good. So... what should I do? I know it has a problem (specially if I want to go back to lighter strings)... but it is hidden now! :| What would you guys do?


I've been playing 10-46 strings for years, so if I were you I'd just leave things as they are and get used to playing 10-46 strings.
They're not exactly heavyweight strings that you have to wrestle with :)

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