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Post subject: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:14 pm
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Hi guys, ive got a question regarding grain filling and tung oil finish.

i would like to finish my ash bodied strat with an oil finish. recently managed to get hold of a tung oil/linseed oil mix finish (from Ikea)

i have seen some videos on youtube but just wanted to be 100% sure which is the correct steps before i start on my strat.

1. wood prep, tung oil, sealer, grain fill, tung oil

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2. wood prep, sealer, grain fill, tung oil

and if it is needed to add poly at the end. looking for a popping the grain effect. similar to the guitar below

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Post subject: Re: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:58 am
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These very much IMHO:

If the IKEA stuff is the "Behandla" they sell for wooden kitchen counter top treatment, I wouldn't let that anywhere near a guitar. (It's OK for kitchen use, though).

On the oil+poly question: lacquer after oil treatment sort of takes away the whole point of oil treatment...
[But then again, I'd go with only lacquer (+ maybe some stain under it) anyway, if the purpose is to pop the grain...]

On the how-to: Don't ask, practice. Get some scrap ash, test the products and the order you put them in. Let dry properly, handle vigorously, see how the finish holds.

BTW, the guitar you refer to belongs to this family: SurfToneGuitars FB


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Post subject: Re: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:58 am
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jmattis wrote:
On the how-to: Don't ask, practice. Get some scrap ash, test the products and the order you put them in. Let dry properly, handle vigorously, see how the finish holds.

+1 You don't want to rush this kind of project.

The Oil IS the finish...don't even consider poly over it.

You will need to sand a smooth finish between dry coats...use "tack cloth" to remove any dust.

Check out the Kit Guitars Forum/finishing your guitar:

http://www.kitguitarsforum.com/board/viewforum.php?f=6&sid=dcc75b99b6027a7737c6c221f3f44e89

...and the archive

http://www.kitguitarsforum.com/archives/forum.php?id=F7_120

You should find your answers there.

Do your homework...then practice on scrap until you're satisfied that's what you want your guitar to look like for the rest of its life. :shock:

I'd like to see how it turns out...please post pics of the process. :D

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Post subject: Re: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:34 am
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Sorry I do not have anything to add, but I also would like to see pictures as you proceed, I love project builds
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Post subject: Re: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:27 pm
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BTW...if you're not familiar with posting pics read this tutorial by nutter...

http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52777

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 1:11 pm
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Post subject: Re: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:45 pm
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G'day Memphisblaze, I did a nice natural finish on an Ash body a few years ago. It's a very fine, thin polyurethane technique which we ended up calling French "Poly"shing.

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The result looks like highly polished wood and the surface is very hard and durable. Here's the build thread if you're interested. The finish is described on page 4.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50159&p=601506&hilit=bare+bodied+strat+nudity#p601506



As far as an oil finish goes, here's an epic guitar build by the amazing AndyBigHair. This is a very detailed build. Andy begins to discuss grain filling techniques on page 18 -
viewtopic.php?t=38952

Take your time and show us the results.

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Post subject: Re: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 3:01 pm
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as stated the tung oil is the final finish. you would not add any sealers as far as i know.

the wood has to remain open to receive the oil.

please note that a Tung Oil guitar looks very dirty in places due to the oil that a player puts out and onto the guitar body and neck that can't be cleaned off either.

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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 5:00 pm
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boxbang wrote:
G'day Memphisblaze, I did a nice natural finish on an Ash body a few years ago. It's a very fine, thin polyurethane technique which we ended up calling French "Poly"shing.

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The result looks like highly polished wood and the surface is very hard and durable. Here's the build thread if you're interested. The finish is described on page 4.
viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50159&p=601506&hilit=bare+bodied+strat+nudity#p601506

Goodonya ...Mark.

Mark that's a great build thread AND beautiful guitar...well done!

I had intended to take a quick peek...then got lost for a while reading every bit. :D

BTW, I agree with Ceri...I'd go out for some "French Poly-shing" me own selfs! :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 12:49 am
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Thank guys for the replies.

yup i will be staying away from the Ikea stuff.

boxbang - the finish looks amazing and might go for that finish....

will let you guys know how it goes.

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Post subject: Re: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 1:08 am
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I got another noob question - is tru oil the same or similar to boiled linseed oil

and if the answer is yes then im guessing that it will be a no to rub on poly for the linseed oil as well.

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Post subject: Re: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:06 am
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Same, no. Similar (as in "belongs to the same product family"), yes.

The main differences in oil finish products are the drying time and the hardness of the end result. You're looking for a product that dries faster, and dries harder - Tru-Oil types. Boiled linseed oil takes forever to cure, and it won't ever be brittle dry.
Search for instructions in the web in e.g. gunstock finishing forums.

But, to be honest, IMHO what you're trying to achieve (popping out the grain, giving a protective layer to wood), would be easier to accomplish by using lacquer. "High-end" would be French polishing, "normal" method would be spray lacquering with nitro, poly or urethane.

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Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:35 am
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Cheers MemphisBlaze,
Whether you choose oil or a thin lacquer finish, the most important thing, I believe, is the sanding.
With a painted guitar or even a thick clear poly finish, you can get away with 600-800 grit paper. The paint will fill in the imperfections. However to get my polished look with thin poly, I spent a lot of time with sandpaper as fine as 2000 grit. I think an oil finished guitar would require similar preparation. I'm so glad that I took the extra time and effort. She still looks great.

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Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 4:27 pm
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Here's a good place to get some expert opinions on finishing:

StewmMac/How-To/Online Resources/Finishing

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Post subject: Re: Steps on grain filling and oil finishing
Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2014 10:07 am
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Decided to go with the boiled linseed oil.

Just slapped on the 1st coat and going to add the next coat after it dries in the morning.

There seems to be still a bit of grain pores even after grain filling. Ash is quite a pain to fully fill out.

Considering to slap on some wipe on poly to seal and protect the wood and finish. Any suggestions if this is a good idea as many of the videos do say that wipe on poly can be done.

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