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Post subject: Unidentified Blue Strat.. Possible Reissue?
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 4:23 pm
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I just bought a used Strat from a local guitar shop (photo gallery), and I'm loving it but I have no idea about what it is or where/when it came from. Quick overview: It's got a Warmoth 22-fret SRV neck with vintage tint gloss, 4-digit "2527" on the neck plate, barcode (serial?) number in the cavity: MO0909944.

I'm pretty sure the 8-hole 1-ply pickguard is not original, and I already replaced it with an 11-hole that fit perfectly without drilling. Same with the pickups, I don't know what they are but they look very similar to my set of Seymour Duncan SSL-1s. The pots are CTS, but again they might not be original. It's got Fender vintage bridge saddles, and vintage-style tuners that are also probably not original.

I wasn't even sure it was a Fender until I saw the routing for the Fender Vintage Reissue '57 Strat, which has the same "worm hole" routing under the bridge pickup that my guitar has.. so this has me hoping maybe I got lucky and got a genuine Fender body under all these mods. I don't know what other brands/models do the same routing, maybe you can tell me.

Apparently in MIM land it's called Agave Blue, I've also heard Ice Blue Metallic is pretty close as well.. so again I'm unsure exactly what I have here.

I don't have much else to go on, I can't really tell what is written on the neck joint, and in the pictures it's partially covered by the pick "shim," but if you guys need to see it I can take the neck off and try to get a better shot.

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Let me know if any of you guys see anything familiar, or can give me some idea what this guitar is about.

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Post subject: Re: Unidentified Blue Strat.. Possible Reissue?
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:18 pm
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I found this while perusing the internet for you, seems like you have a Sonic Blue 60's Classic Vibe (MIM): http://www.strat-talk.com/forum/stratoc ... mbers.html


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Post subject: Re: Unidentified Blue Strat.. Possible Reissue?
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:20 pm
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Wet Gravity wrote:
I found this while perusing the internet for you, seems like you have a Sonic Blue 60's Classic Vibe (MIM): http://www.strat-talk.com/forum/stratoc ... mbers.html


Classic Player*


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Post subject: Re: Unidentified Blue Strat.. Possible Reissue?
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:39 pm
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Yeah I saw that thread as well.. it looks very close, I was just thrown off by the bridge because the real Classic Player Strat has the two-screw bridge while mine is 6-screw. Could be an aftermarket bridge, I suppose. The cavity and barcode does look awfully similar.

Also Sonic Blue looks much lighter than my guitar. It's hard to tell in the pictures but mine is darker and metallic-y, with an almost grey/green tint. Agave Blue and Ice Blue Metallic are the closest I have found in Fender's catalog..I'm not sure they make the Classic Player in those colors. I'm looking into that now.

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Post subject: Re: Unidentified Blue Strat.. Possible Reissue?
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 5:43 pm
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Ok. The neck is NOT a Fender Neck. The body appears to be a 60's Classic Series in Lake Placid Blue. If it was a Classic Player it would have the 2 point trem IIRC.

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Post subject: Re: Unidentified Blue Strat.. Possible Reissue?
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:12 pm
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T2Stratman wrote:
Ok. The neck is NOT a Fender Neck. The body appears to be a 60's Classic Series in Lake Placid Blue. If it was a Classic Player it would have the 2 point trem IIRC.

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Yeah it's a 22-fret Warmoth SRV neck. 60's Classic Series is probably the closest I have seen, and yes you are right the Classic Player has the 2-point trem so it's probably not that (who would upgrade from a 2-point stock bridge to a 6-point?). Originally I thought the Lake Placid Blue was too "blue" for my finish, but the more I look at pictures I think you might be right. It's hard to tell online because small changes in lighting make these finishes look a lot lighter/darker. Plus mine has almost a grey/green tint that doesn't show up in pictures of LPB. I'll have to take a trip to the guitar shop and see if I can find a Lake Placid Blue Fender for comparison.

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Post subject: Re: Unidentified Blue Strat.. Possible Reissue?
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:30 pm
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Both the Sonic Blue and Lake Placid are really hard to capture correctly in pics, they both reflect a lot of light, so they will look brighter or darker depending on the light hitting it and the angle of the guitar/camera/light source.

You're right, it makes little sense to convert to a 6-point trem, so most likely a Classic Series. Both guitars have received a lot of positive feedback, and Warmoth makes good necks. Might be worth it to dig up some more info on that neck.


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Post subject: Re: Unidentified Blue Strat.. Possible Reissue?
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:31 pm
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lose311 wrote:
T2Stratman wrote:
Ok. The neck is NOT a Fender Neck. The body appears to be a 60's Classic Series in Lake Placid Blue. If it was a Classic Player it would have the 2 point trem IIRC.

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Yeah it's a 22-fret Warmoth SRV neck. 60's Classic Series is probably the closest I have seen, and yes you are right the Classic Player has the 2-point trem so it's probably not that (who would upgrade from a 2-point stock bridge to a 6-point?). Originally I thought the Lake Placid Blue was too "blue" for my finish, but the more I look at pictures I think you might be right. It's hard to tell online because small changes in lighting make these finishes look a lot lighter/darker. Plus mine has almost a grey/green tint that doesn't show up in pictures of LPB. I'll have to take a trip to the guitar shop and see if I can find a Lake Placid Blue Fender for comparison.


You are right about lighting affecting blue colors! If it is a 60's Classic Series, then it would have to be LPB as that was the only blue they offered IIRC. The other thing that makes me think 60's Classic Series is the positioning of the screw holes, the second on is correct for these guitars with it being about half way between front two pickups.

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Post subject: Re: Unidentified Blue Strat.. Possible Reissue?
Posted: Wed Oct 01, 2014 6:42 pm
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Wet Gravity wrote:
Warmoth makes good necks. Might be worth it to dig up some more info on that neck.


Yeah I did, just didn't seem relevant to this thread. If anyone is interested: Its a 22-fret Warmoth neck, with tinted vintage gloss finish, body-side truss adjust, 1-5/8" width, SRV asymmetrical contour, 6105 fretwire, and 10-16" compound radius.

The guy I talked to at Warmoth was a little confused though, because of the squared off end to the fretboard (you can see that in the first picture). He said it might have originally been a 24-fret board that someone sawed off to make 22-frets. He says their necks almost always have rounded off end to the fretboard like you would see on a Fender. I don't know who would order a 24-fret Strat neck though.. Just another mystery behind this guitar.

All and all, the more I learn about this guitar the happier I get about the purchase. I payed $200 for it and I got a neck that costs at least that much, plus a (possible) Fender body, and (maybe) Seymour Duncan pickups (I already pulled out the pickups that came with it because I am not 100% sure, but they look very similar to the SSL-1s I replaced them with). Was originally a little disappointed to pay so much for what I thought was a bare-bones Partscaster, but its looking better and better the more I learn, and it plays great too.

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Post subject: Re: Unidentified Blue Strat.. Possible Reissue?
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Sounds like a really good buy if you ask me :D Congrats!

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The guy I talked to at Warmoth was a little confused though, because of the squared off end to the fretboard (you can see that in the first picture). He said it might have originally been a 24-fret board that someone sawed off to make 22-frets. He says their necks almost always have rounded off end to the fretboard like you would see on a Fender. I don't know who would order a 24-fret Strat neck though.. Just another mystery behind this guitar.


A 24-fret strat neck would be about the weirdest thing I've ever heard of :lol:


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